I understand. Even though I voted out I can see good things that the EU did and I dont really know if we will be better off or not out of it in the long term - I dont think anyone really does..
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I understand. Even though I voted out I can see good things that the EU did and I dont really know if we will be better off or not out of it in the long term - I dont think anyone really does..
SNova
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Negotions why scrutinise them now ? When the EU are telling us your OUT of everything?
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It's going to be a big dilemma for many Labour supporting Brexit voters should Article 50 not be invoked. As I said in my post, I think most will treat an early GE as a second referendum and vote accordingly. Realistically, UKIP and Tory are the only options open to them.
You can't, to all extents and purposes.
Even those outside the EU who have access to it have to abide by basically EU membership rules on free movement, such as Switzerland and the EEA, who are effectively in the EU but have no say on how it is run, and no say on current and future free trade agreements.
It's hard Brexit or no Brexit, and I really do wish the pretence to the contrary would end - or indeed, the lies about it would have stopped before the referendum so that so many people were not misled into voting out.
European leaders have come to a 27-nation consensus that a “hard Brexit” is likely to be the only way to see off future populist insurgencies, which could lead to the break-up of the European Union.
'Future populist insurgencies'
How do you not know by now what they really are, almost as bad as Junckers amicable divorce comment
bring the ghost on
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Do you really think negotiations which will involve many months, maybe years, and huge amounts of detail and paperwork, are going to be as simple as "right guys, we're out of everything, no point in scrutinising the deal"?
Because that was the stance before the referendum, and hasn't changed since. It's not "bullying"; it is simply their rules. If you're somehow surprised by this now, then you didn't know anything about it before reading that.
roydo
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Only once that has been negotiated between the member states, they all agree, then negotiated with the UK.
And that, simply, will not be allowed through.
If people had just done one ounce of reading and understood the whole thing before the referendum, we wouldn't be in this mess.
https://www.cer.org.uk/publications...-votes-leave-seven-alternatives-eu-membership
There's no alternative. You either accept the free movement of people, or you trade under WTO rules and negotiate new trade agreements that are of a much lesser benefit to us because we simply do not have the clout to get terms as good as the ones the EU negotiated as a bloc.
So it's WTO 'Hard Brexit', or no actual Brexit at all. And that has always been the case.
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The debate was about a newspaper article where the EU were just going to make an example of us for daring to vote out!
They are scared if they make too many concessions in negotiations the many countries will want the same so scrutinising our negotiations at present is stupid if this us their attitude - we can let Parliment argue for months on what we want I feel the answers from them may be negative, sign article 50 and let's get on with it that's what the electorate voted for!
Call their bluff 2 years they will be on their knees anyway Italy are making noises to ditch the Euro now!
They want the lira back their loan bonds have spiked more austerey they are against it!
roydo
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Utter Cad.
It is becoming increasingly apparent that this referendum result, won on lies and racism and driven by personal political ambition, is NOT in the country's best interests and must not be ratified by Parliament.
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