Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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1966efc said:
“If you British are not prepared to compromise on free movement, the only way to deal with Brexit is hard Brexit. Otherwise we would be seen to be giving in to a country that is leaving. That would be fatal."

So the E U s so unpopular that a number of countries would skedaddle were Brexiy to prove relatively pain free?
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I remember the EU talking about putting something in place that would make it harder for other countries to pull out.
 
SNova said:
Why can't they compromise on free movement of people? It's madness.

Free movement of people could be the collapse of the EU.
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They will never see it nor understand it. While the elite enjoy their high level meetings and photo opportunities while doing absolutely sod all for the people of Europe, they are cocooned in this parallel world of big cars, fine wine and no expense spared living. It's a great way to live, as opposed to doing the jobs they were actually elected to do, running their countries. The EU produces nothing except more regulation, interferes in everything and keeps a great many people in generous employment while the likes of Greece is falling to bits......
 
Seathestars said:
WOW, seriously. I'm so happy I voted leave, to think these are the bullies we've been run by, like little kids taking their football home because they're losing the game.

What do they think the people of the rest of Europe will think of this.
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Not just in Europe, the RoW will be seeing the EU fall off its high horse and looking incredibly stupid and petty......
 
peteblue said:
The EU produces nothing except more regulation, interferes in everything and keeps a great many people in generous employment while the likes of Greece is falling
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I recall you saying the Greeks should be left responsible for their own mess, now you are suggesting that the EU haven't done enough.

Which is it?
 
The Esk said:
I recall you saying the Greeks should be left responsible for their own mess, now you are suggesting that the EU haven't done enough.

Which is it?
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The Greeks should be responsible for their own mess. However the migrant mess they are in had nothing to do with them and everything to do with Merkel and the EU lack of response........
 
Joey66 said:
In your dreams Brucie there will be a GE and the likes of your Liberal party will be down to a taxi for a meeting not a peoples traveler!lol
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If Parliament can't come to an agreement on Article 50 then May WILL call a GE. In my view, this could spell disaster for both the labour party and the country as a whole. Here's what I think will happen.

1. The Labour party is currently way out of touch with both the majority of it's own MPs and a large chunk of it's voters. I can see a lot of the constituents deselecting incumbent MPs for Corbynites, and this won't go down well with many labour voters.

2. A large number of Brexit voters are also labour voters and would see their party as instrumental in article 50 not being invoked. These people would see the GE as basically a second referendum and would vote accordingly, either for the Tories or UKIP

3. Following on from above, most labour Brexiteers would probably vote UKIP, firstly because they could never bring themselves to vote Tory, but also because UKIP are the party they would most associate with Brexit. Don't be fooled by UKIP having only one current MP; in actual votes received, they were by far the third most popular at the last election. It wouldn't take much of a swing for UKIP to out perform Labour at a new GE and it's not inconceivable that they could actually end up as the main opposition party.

4. Even with a minimal swing from Labour, the Tories are likely to win many more seats purely as a result of the Labour vote being split. I can see them having a huge majority which will not be good for the country as they will basically be able to do what they want. Especially if a large part of the opposition are even more right wing than they are.

Basically, an early GE will play right in to Conservative hands and will only delay the inevitable which will be a Brexit on the government terms. But also a period of government where there is no effective opposition, and that's a cornerstone on which our whole political system is based.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
If Parliament can't come to an agreement on Article 50 then May WILL call a GE. In my view, this could spell disaster for both the labour party and the country as a whole. Here's what I think will happen.

1. The Labour party is currently way out of touch with both the majority of it's own MPs and a large chunk of it's voters. I can see a lot of the constituents deselecting incumbent MPs for Corbynites, and this won't go down well with many labour voters.

2. A large number of Brexit voters are also labour voters and would see their party as instrumental in article 50 not being invoked. These people would see the GE as basically a second referendum and would vote accordingly, either for the Tories or UKIP

3. Following on from above, most labour Brexiteers would probably vote UKIP, firstly because they could never bring themselves to vote Tory, but also because UKIP are the party they would most associate with Brexit. Don't be fooled by UKIP having only one current MP; in actual votes received, they were by far the third most popular at the last election. It wouldn't take much of a swing for UKIP to out perform Labour at a new GE and it's not inconceivable that they could actually end up as the main opposition party.

4. Even with a minimal swing from Labour, the Tories are likely to win many more seats purely as a result of the Labour vote being split. I can see them having a huge majority which will not be good for the country as they will basically be able to do what they want. Especially if a large part of the opposition are even more right wing than they are.

Basically, an early GE will play right in to Conservative hands and will only delay the inevitable which will be a Brexit on the government terms. But also a period of government where there is no effective opposition, and that's a cornerstone on which our whole political system is based.
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Spot on as a Labour voter last time out if Brexit gets frustrated by any English party they will pay the price as I will vote Tory or even UKIP for the first time - June the 23rd was a democratic vote the big business may not like it and the mamsy pamsy Liberals or the left wingers in Momentum in the Labour Party
So yes your points are very very valid the economy is stable yet it was supposed to have gone over a cliff, in fact the lies the Remain side took look worse than outs!
 
peteblue said:
They will never see it nor understand it. While the elite enjoy their high level meetings and photo opportunities while doing absolutely sod all for the people of Europe, they are cocooned in this parallel world of big cars, fine wine and no expense spared living. It's a great way to live, as opposed to doing the jobs they were actually elected to do, running their countries. The EU produces nothing except more regulation, interferes in everything and keeps a great many people in generous employment while the likes of Greece is falling to bits......
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The crippling of Greece is shocking. If they were truly wanting to be benevolent they would write off a good part of Greece's debt
 
Barnfred 55 said:
If Parliament can't come to an agreement on Article 50 then May WILL call a GE. In my view, this could spell disaster for both the labour party and the country as a whole. Here's what I think will happen.

1. The Labour party is currently way out of touch with both the majority of it's own MPs and a large chunk of it's voters. I can see a lot of the constituents deselecting incumbent MPs for Corbynites, and this won't go down well with many labour voters.

2. A large number of Brexit voters are also labour voters and would see their party as instrumental in article 50 not being invoked. These people would see the GE as basically a second referendum and would vote accordingly, either for the Tories or UKIP

3. Following on from above, most labour Brexiteers would probably vote UKIP, firstly because they could never bring themselves to vote Tory, but also because UKIP are the party they would most associate with Brexit. Don't be fooled by UKIP having only one current MP; in actual votes received, they were by far the third most popular at the last election. It wouldn't take much of a swing for UKIP to out perform Labour at a new GE and it's not inconceivable that they could actually end up as the main opposition party.

4. Even with a minimal swing from Labour, the Tories are likely to win many more seats purely as a result of the Labour vote being split. I can see them having a huge majority which will not be good for the country as they will basically be able to do what they want. Especially if a large part of the opposition are even more right wing than they are.

Basically, an early GE will play right in to Conservative hands and will only delay the inevitable which will be a Brexit on the government terms. But also a period of government where there is no effective opposition, and that's a cornerstone on which our whole political system is based.
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Good analysis mate and fairly likely..
 
Joey66 said:
Spot on as a Labour voter last time out if Brexit gets frustrated by any English party they will pay the price as I will vote Tory or even UKIP for the first time - June the 23rd was a democratic vote the big business may not like it and the mamsy pamsy Liberals or the left wingers in Momentum in the Labour Party
So yes your points are very very valid the economy is stable yet it was supposed to have gone over a cliff, in fact the lies the Remain side took look worse than outs!
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I would find it quite difficult to vote Tory or UKIP but I would certainly be looking to vote for whoever didn't stall Article 50
 
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