Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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OK then.

Tory Manifesto.

'We are clear about what we want from Europe. We say: yes to the Single Market. Yes to turbocharging free trade. Yes to working together where we are stronger together than alone. Yes to a family of nation states, all part of a European Union – but whose interests, crucially, are guaranteed whether inside the Euro or out.'

Do they have a mandate for this then, or do you just cherry pick what suits you?

I think the referendum afterwards is a bigger mandate.
 
I'm not asking the EU to bend over for us, both sides have to be sensible about it without the bitterness.

If it was kept the way it started, ie for trade only, then fair enough, it was a good idea, but they have slowly taken the proverbial.

You said it yourself, they're looking after their own interests, not the people they claim to represent.

No, they're looking after their own interests in accordance to the principles enshrined within what they are. That is a single market dependent on agreeing to the free movement of people. This was long before this referendum and we agreed to it being a core principle, from Maastricht, Lisbon and beyond.

It is not bullying - it is simply doing what they do. We knew (or should have known) about it beforehand, and if we leave the EU, that is the consequence we agreed to.
 
I think the referendum afterwards is a bigger mandate.

So as said, you cherry pick what you want to happen, and dismiss anything else.

If the Tories have been given a mandate to rule on what they were "clear" about what they want from Europe, why are you so against parliament trying to achieve those aims alongside the massively more vague wish of the British people wanting to leave the EU?

So which is it? Is it "out means out" and full sovereignty, or "electing us means yes to the Single Market"?

Because they have a mandate for both don't they?
 
So as said, you cherry pick what you want to happen, and dismiss anything else.

If the Tories have been given a mandate to rule on what they were "clear" about what they want from Europe, why are you so against parliament trying to achieve those aims alongside the massively more vague wish of the British people wanting to leave the EU?

So which is it? Is it "out means out" and full sovereignty, or "electing us means yes to the Single Market"?

Because they have a mandate for both don't they?

The most recent one. Many voted for them so that they could have the referendum.
 
No, they're looking after their own interests in accordance to the principles enshrined within what they are. That is a single market dependent on agreeing to the free movement of people. This was long before this referendum and we agreed to it being a core principle, from Maastricht, Lisbon and beyond.

It is not bullying - it is simply doing what they do. We knew (or should have known) about it beforehand, and if we leave the EU, that is the consequence we agreed to.
I despise the EU political elite the sooner they are replaced the better no better time for us to pull the plug on them stop the gravy train for our failed politicians to crawl into their nest the better trade with Europe by all means time will tell the Eu is in major trouble with the trump presidential win - let's see what happens?
 
No, they're looking after their own interests in accordance to the principles enshrined within what they are. That is a single market dependent on agreeing to the free movement of people. This was long before this referendum and we agreed to it being a core principle, from Maastricht, Lisbon and beyond.

It is not bullying - it is simply doing what they do. We knew (or should have known) about it beforehand, and if we leave the EU, that is the consequence we agreed to.
You mean the Lisbon treaty that the French, Dutch and Irish didn't agree too, in fact didn't they make the Irish vote on it again, can't be sure in all honesty but I think they may have done.

Obviously we won't agree on this, I just want an amicable divorce, unlike Junker, but we'll see, there has to be give and take on both sides or we both lose.

Take it easy.
 
The Brexit "dividend" continues:

Hammond warns on Brexit uncertainties

Philip Hammond has admitted that the government is facing a “sharp challenge” in the face of Brexit and cautioned against any unexpectedly generous windfalls for families who are “just about managing”.

In a round of interviews ahead of his autumn statement on Wednesday, the chancellor said he needed “headroom” in the public finances to deal with the economic impact of leaving the EU – with forecasts predicting slower growth – and “eye-wateringly” large debt.

Campaigners have called on Hammond to reverse George Osborne’s cuts to universal credit, which critics say will leave struggling working families up to £1,300 a year worse off by 2020.

Asked if he would do so, Hammond told BBC1’s The Andrew Marr Show: “I’m not going to go into details of the autumn statement that I shall make on Wednesday, but you’ve seen the forecasts, the range of independent forecasts. We’ll get the OBR’s forecast on Wednesday.

“Many of those forecasts are pointing to a slowing of economic growth next year and a sharp challenge for the public finances.

“There are a range of reasons for that, and we’ve got to make sure that what we do is responsible, that everything we do is compatible with building resilience in our economy as we go into a period where there will be some uncertainty around the negotiation over our exit from the EU and focus on making sure that our economy is match-fit for the opportunities and the challenges that will lie ahead.”

He was keen to emphasise the challenges of rising inflation and fluctuating markets because of Brexit uncertainty. He is also reportedly facing a £100bn black hole in the public finances.

“We have to maintain our credibility. We have eye-wateringly large debt, we still have a significant deficit in this country and we have to prepare the economy for the period that lies ahead,” the chancellor told Marr.

“I want to make sure that the economy is watertight, that we have enough headroom to deal with any unexpected challenges over the next couple of years and most importantly, that we’re ready to seize the opportunities of leaving the European Union.”

In a hint that he would offer some help to the so-called Jams – “just about managing” – on Wednesday, Hammond said he would support people “who work hard and by and large do not feel that they are sharing in the prosperity that economic growth is bringing to the country”.

He gave away few clues, however, as to what form this help would take.
 
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