Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Pienaar's gloves]

Lies on the front pages of the papers this morning about 'blocking Brexit' are a disgrace, I don't know how the press in this country get away with such blatant crap.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

The Sun have manipulated the image of the lady who brought the case forward to make her skin look darker.

 

[The Esk]

Stephen Phillips Conservative MP and leave voter has resigned triggering a by-election. citing Government stance on Brexit as primary reason.

GE looking more and more likely.

 

[Toffeelover]

Lads, you lost this ruling. Just get on with it you moaners.

And who was doing the moaning about the referendum result!

 

[Toffeelover]

Just as a light aside, I'd laugh if this went all the way to the European courts lol

Which Mate is part of the reason I voted to leave to escape that lot.

 

[Tubey]

Stephen Phillips Conservative MP and leave voter has resigned triggering a by-election. citing Government stance on Brexit as primary reason.

GE looking more and more likely.

"I and many others did not exercise our vote in the referendum so as to restore the sovereignty of this Parliament only to see what we regarded as the tyranny of the European Union replaced by that of a Government that apparently wishes to ignore the views of the House on the most important issue facing the nation."

http://news.sky.com/story/conservative-mp-stephen-phillips-resigns-10644242

'kin hell, an MP showing some morals, and a Tory one at that!

What a time to be alive.

Obviously, he's 100% correct, except for the "tyranny" of the European Union.

 

[Toffeelover]

Martin McGuiness is on here on my local news complaining about Brexit. Hearing absolute lying clowns like him supporting remain makes me feel so glad we are leaving.

Oh and right on cue Gerry Adams is here too lol

What great people to have supporting your cause lol

Of course they both have UK and Eire passports and were leading participants in the moves to a United Island back in the 50s to the 90s.

 

[joey_macmo]

Stephen Phillips Conservative MP and leave voter has resigned triggering a by-election. citing Government stance on Brexit as primary reason.

GE looking more and more likely.

He isn't standing either, he's also a QC. The legalities of this always seemed pretty clear despite the furore from the right wing press and people.

 

[Joey66]

Stephen Phillips Conservative MP and leave voter has resigned triggering a by-election. citing Government stance on Brexit as primary reason.

GE looking more and more likely.

Kevin Maguire from the mirror a strong Labour supporter was on LBC the am and stated if there was a general election quickly over article 50 Labour would be wiped out seat wise Farage is calling for one too !
A very calm Jacob Rees Mogg came on about the judgement stating the fact that it was passed was just a hiccup as they are eurofiles anyway, and stated after the supreme court ruling alls May has to do is put a motion vote it to Parliament that in article 50 we will be leaving the EU with the best intentions of Brexit outlined as it is being done by a cross party basis led by Hilary Benn pointing out if the vote was not passed May would see it as a vote of no confidence in the Government!
May has told Junker nothing has changed article 50 will be done and dusted by March 2017?
All as clear as mud , but hey ho!

 

[Toffeelover]

We still have to initiate article 50 before we can negotiate. I agree with you though, once a deal is sorted we should vote on it..........

But what would a vote achieve. We would be leaving the EU, do we need to spend more millions on a superfluous vote?

 

[Toffeelover]

I'm pro EU but I'm not saying let's stop brexit, as like you say it won the majority and I accept that even though I believe it is the wrong decision. However the government simply cannot be allowed to push through any deal without scrutiny.

That I think is key to why this is good news, I think a lot of people underestimated the effects of leaving the EU and I'm not so sure they would vote the same way again. So why not ensure that parliament agree on the brexit terms, sounds sensible to me...

Why are you Pro EU?

 

[Joey66]

By definiton, 50% of the population is of below average intelligence.

So how about the 52% that voted out what is their intelligence? on a very high record turnout in many years?

 

[Toffeelover]

True, nearly half one way or the other will be left upset. I would hope if there was a 2nd referendum (& that's a big IF as like others have said people did vote to exit and that should be actioned if the terms are sensible & I think MP's understand that) it would have to be cast iron with no ambiguity, the final step before signing the papers. Did anyone think that the Tory's would try to block the exit deal being discussed in the commons beforehand? I didn't think that was possible.

What's stopping the small band of tories doing a deal that suits their own self interests, this is why we have votes for laws to be passed to prevent that kind of thing.

A lot of people voted to leave on the basis of immigration, but if we keep the common market and free movement then what about those people who decided to exit, has there wishes been actioned?

If we brexit so be it but I would at least like it to go through and be approved by half of MP's first.

I did not. Cameron did try to get some adjustment on EU migration but was effectively swatted like an annoying fly by the other EU leaders. If they had been more amenable then perhaps as you claim on the basis of immigration matters may have been different. Cameron would still be PM no doubt.

 

[Toffeelover]

So you are saying that in Sunderland an area where they have a population born outside of uk at less than 3%, it's legitimate for them to have concerns about immigration?

So basically they are wrong. They're pissed of with their lot in life and blaiming that on immigration and any other rubbish spouted by either UKIP or the leave campaign. Labours job should be working out the real reasons for the dissatisfaction and trying to address them with policy, and then selling that policy to them.

That has been the significant failing of Labour for some years now, head in the clouds. Do not think either that having JC as leader will cange matters.

 

[Toffeelover]

Two points. The EU is seen as part of the establishment and the voting to change for the better actually translates as 'voting for something different to the current status quo' because enough were disillusioned.

I can see a different problem in the future, a return to the past, and city states, castled dominions where the 'rich' (sic) within the walls through out the scraps to the poor who gather due to no alternative. You can take that metaphorically with work, education etc or literally as the favelas of Brazil show.

'We' the proles aren't supposed to understand the complexity of legalese, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter, as the overwhelming majority, we the people can ignore it and create a new system that is fairer, we are just too lazy and too caught up in ourselves to do it.

That to me mate is exactly what is happening within the EU.