peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
*shocked......
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*shocked......
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Could you buy one for Pienaar's Gloves out of any loose change you have, much appreciated.....
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I also have a few hotels you can have........
I'm staying out of hotels in this market mate, you save in a recession, fixed assets are mugs game in recession, unless with foreign currency, the parity with the euro predicted by the end of the year is mana for me, I can just nip over the boarder to N.I.
Already a few have taken advantage, mate of mine came home today with a new IPAD, TV and other bit and bobs from Belfast. Reckons he saved him self 500 euro in conversion and compatible prices to South of the border and currency conversion with the weakening pound.
The Esk
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Our current global relationships are based on our membership of the EU. The moment we leave the EU then those relationships change, and most likely (assuming reasonable legal construction of those agreements) our existing relationships become invalid and subject to re-negotiation. Thus upon Brexit our existing relationships are blown apart.
As a country our legal persona changes when we leave the EU. That change will trigger changes and/or the cessation of existing relationships. As a nation independent of the EU, we are very different to a nation being a member of the EU and that difference will be reflected in existing trading relationships.
Nothing that is currently certain will be certain once Brexit, or the process of Brexit occurs. That's not a political statement it's purely a reflection of our changed legal status in the world.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Every agreement set up by the Eu around the world involving trade is signed by all the EU countries. The agreement is between the individual countries and the country with whom we are doing a deal. It is not signed by the EU as the EU is not a sovereign country nor recognised as such. That's why when we leave we will still have agreements with the countries with whom the EU has set up trade deals. Existing relationships do not change.
The process of Brexit is unknown, by the Eu the UK and yourself, so it is impossible to declare or pronounce what will certainly be until we have worked our way through it. The UK is recognised by the whole world as a sovereign country, we sit on the UNSC, the EU does not and is only an observer at the UN. That is the legal status........
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
It's nice to see people saving money, we should do this more often......
The Esk
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There are many aspects to a legal status and that depends upon context. Yes we are a sovereign country in regards to security, but (as argued by Brexiters including yourself) we are not sovereign in the context of trade relationships because we are defined (and you would argue constrained) by our EU membership.
Thus when that membership ceases, or is deemed to cease (Article 50) then our trading relationship with the EU and the rest of the world changes. As a result of that change all existing relationships are open to re-negotiation. That's not my opinion that's a fundamental legal fact - the UK outside of the EU is legally a very different entity than the UK inside of Europe. This is not just a nuance, it's a fundamental, perhaps the most fundamental aspect of the referendum decision - it's just not recognised as such by our laughable media.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
The deals done between other nations and the Eu are done with the Individual nations, who sign the agreement and that is the only way it can be done. The EU has merely acted as an agent or lawyer drawing up the agreement between the parties. If the UK leaves the EU then any nation having a trade deal with the EU now has it with the remaining EU countries and the UK, because that's what they signed. The agreements are very specific and take into account the size of market and type of goods and exceptions involved. That's why the USA said that doing a deal with the EU is not worth it without the UK. If a deal with the USA is done while we are still a member and we actually sign it but then leave, we are still contractually committed. If there is a legal challenge by the USA because they believe there is a material change then that effects the EU as well as the UK......
The Esk
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With respect Pete (and I mean that genuinely) you are entirely wrong.
bobbydigital
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Interesting to see how quickly the leave argument has devalued from "Rule Brittania, taking our country back, going to dominate the world" to "It was always going to be rocky at first" and now "It's the remain voters fault everything is going sour, they are being negative."
My favourite bit is the small town xenophobes superseding world respect economists with their judgement because they wear Union Jack boxies and stand up when the national anthem comes on even if no one else is around.
Well down you selfish old hasbeens, you've sold out the next two generations because you missing episodes of racist Alf Garnett.
Revolt Merseyside, REVOLT.
Well down you selfish old hasbeens, you've sold out the next two generations because you missing episodes of racist Alf Garnett.
Revolt Merseyside, REVOLT.
The sanitation Reg, don't forget the sanitation.
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