magicjuan
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It would be nice if a lot more could, however, the nature of the way we live economically is designed to deter that behaviour.
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It would be nice if a lot more could, however, the nature of the way we live economically is designed to deter that behaviour.
And not only with regards to existing EU trade deals, but as we discussed the other day, we also have to re-join the World Trade Organisation and renegotiate our terms for that, as our existing membership is based on our membership of the EU.
That isn't to say that we won't renegotiate WTO membership and trade deals with the ~50 countries the EU has deals with that are better than what we currently have, but even in this extremely best case scenario, it's a bloody lot of work that will take a very long time. In the meantime, it seems hard to deny that we're in something of a pickle.
Why can't you just disagree with his view. Nothing was certain outside the EU. But to suggest everything was certain under the EU is just delusional. And the economy is doing just fine.
I voted on my gut. And I feel much more content with my decision. Some seem intent on seeing Britain fail and hope for a crash for agenda purposes. Everton that lol
Erm, the things we're discussing kinda was. We knew how our trade relationship with the EU was. We knew how our trading relationship with the 50 or so nations with deals with the EU were. We knew on what grounds our membership of the WTO (thus governing trading with the other nations of the world) were based.
That's a certainty of trading that we will no longer have once we leave and will have to re-negotiate afresh.
Foot Long Hot Dog
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Yeah Pete consumer spending dropping is exactly what we need to avert a deep recession
Economic genius
Foot Long Hot Dog
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Esk was quoting fact, Pete was chatting bubbles
Do you understand the difference between fact and misguided opinion?
Sometimes.
What is not fact is saying the EU offered certainty. It changes constantly.
Foot Long Hot Dog
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It offered the certainty of the single market, the uncertainty created by Brexit has seen our currency die on its arse
In any case what Esk and Pete were discussing wasn't subjective opinion it was the facts around our trading agreements, one was right, the other misguided
So you're trying to say nothing in the EU would ever change in the future? That's just nonsense.
The EU is nothing like was initially intended. I suppose we are 17m idiots just.
Well see in the end. Just like we were right to ignore the so called intellectual elite about joining the common currency time will prove the merit of leaving the European Union.
That isn't what I'm saying at all. The world is changing at a pace that has quite possibly never been seen before, that is not disputable at all. I'll say again though, Pete and Esk were talking about trade conditions, and up until we trigger Article 50 we know what are trade conditions are with the EU, with the nations the EU has agreements with, and with the WTO.
As soon as we trigger Article 50, we have no idea what our trade conditions are with any of those groups, and we won't do until they're all re-negotiated afresh. To repeat once more, I am not saying that the EU offers certainty, I am saying that the period between us leaving the EU and us re-negotiating all of those relationships again offers a huge amount of uncertainty, and considerably more than we have right now.
ToffeeDoug
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Particularly when the mandate was merely 'to leave the EU'. The referendum provided no guidance or mandate on the type of Brexit (hard or soft) or the timetable for exit or any of the nitty gritty to be excluded or included.
I think within six months (and possibly a lot shorter than that) there is going to be a considerable amount of back-tracking and squealing by the Leavers who had voted for nationalistic reasons and ignored all the economic issues as the costs start to hit home....booking holidays for next year, food price increases, filling the car up etc.
ToffeeDoug
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A government elected with 37% of the vote you mean? Hardly representative of the people if 63% didn't want them (and that's before we consider the 15m who didn't vote at all for whatever reason).
Pienaar's gloves
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I'm not after a big house mate, just an ample one. Fancied my chances beforehand! Still think I'll get there now, but a bit less confident.
Pienaar's gloves
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Always beats reason and evidence that.
orchard
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Tbf tim's intuition swayed my vote
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