Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Tubey]

France voted against the European constitution. They changed the name to the Lisbon agreement and included everything that was voted against and then the French government signed up to it........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Act_2011

 

[peteblue]

False. 90% in past 6 years we were with the majority and got the vote in our favour.

https://fullfact.org/europe/british-influence-eu-council-ministers/

Did we get to vote for the Calais Jungle. Did we get to vote for Merkel opening up the EU Borders , did we vote for giving Turkey Billions in blackmail money........what were the things that we won then........

 

[peteblue]

We've just sent out a message telling hundreds of millions of our nearest neighbours that they're not welcome.

Be honest, there's only so many you can have at a BBQ .........

 

[Tubey]

Did we get to vote for the Calais Jungle. Did we get to vote for Merkel opening up the EU Borders , did we vote for giving Turkey Billions in blackmail money........what were the things that we won then........

Not an EU issue. Le Touquet was France and UK. But yes, we actually agreed to that and wanted it.

 

[peteblue]

You've summed up the Government's approach to the referendum, EU, and Brexit perfectly. Offer a referendum to secure the sceptic vote in the 2015 GE, tick! be fairly ambivalent in the campaign but expect a narrow remain result. Oh, we have a narrow leave result, sorry we've no plan, we'll make it up as we go along.

You'd never let a board of directors run a company in the way this government is running our nation, our future and the future of our children/grandchildren.

Total dereliction of duty from our PM and cabinet.

Have you not noticed that while the name of the Government is the same, the old Government was effectively sacked and has been replaced by a completely new PM and set of 'company directors'.......

 

[peteblue]

Not an EU issue. Le Touquet was France and UK. But yes, we actually agreed to that and wanted it.

And the other bits?...

 

[Tubey]

And the other bits?...

No clue. Ask them. But given we've had 90% of votes go our way in the past six years, it's probable we've agreed to it.

Crazy as this sounds, the EU doesn't bully the UK. If anything, we bully them and have done since Thatcher's rebate. That's what makes me laugh actually - the idea we're hard done by. It's absolutely incredible - the economic and political power we get from EU membership is massive, and people binned it off because they don't like foreigners or whatever stupid reason they had to do so.

And yes, the word 'stupid' there is apt. It was stupid.

 

[peteblue]

No clue. Ask them. But given we've had 90% of votes go our way in the past six years, it's probable we've agreed to it.

Crazy as this sounds, the EU doesn't bully the UK. If anything, we bully them and have done since Thatcher's rebate. That's what makes me laugh actually - the idea we're hard done by. It's absolutely incredible - the economic and political power we get from EU membership is massive, and people binned it off because they don't like foreigners or whatever stupid reason they had to do so.

And yes, the word 'stupid' there is apt. It was stupid.

What political power do we get from the Eu......

 

[The Esk]

Have you not noticed that while the name of the Government is the same, the old Government was effectively sacked and has been replaced by a completely new PM and set of 'company directors'.......

Without any input from the electorate which makes you wonder what mandate the executive have to make up policy on the hoof on our behalf.

 

[Tubey]

What political power do we get from the Eu......

You know how it's one of the biggest trading blocs in the world?

Yeah, we get our own way in that bloc 90% of the time.

Pretty much the dictionary definition of influence.

 

[The Esk]

Interest rates....

What impact on the economy does a rise in interest rates have? At a time when our global trading relationships are blown apart by Brexit? You are kidding, surely?

 

[peteblue]

Without any input from the electorate which makes you wonder what mandate the executive have to make up policy on the hoof on our behalf.

You are just trying to score points against the Tories. You said that Cameron and co didn't manage it properly and didn't have a plan, I agreed. But we now have a brand new PM and Cabinet who seem to be doing the right things. You don't really want a GE because Labour would be wiped out and you know it, and if you don't then you are in some form of dreamland. The input from the electorate was clear, we leave the EU......policy is now being developed by a new team....

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

You are just trying to score points against the Tories. You said that Cameron and co didn't manage it properly and didn't have a plan, I agreed. But we now have a brand new PM and Cabinet who seem to be doing the right things. You don't really want a GE because Labour would be wiped out and you know it, and if you don't then you are in some form of dreamland. The input from the electorate was clear, we leave the EU......policy is now being developed by a new team....

Complains about the sovereignty of EU.

Is happy with unelected government.

 

[peteblue]

What impact on the economy does a rise in interest rates have? At a time when our global trading relationships are blown apart by Brexit? You are kidding, surely?

Our Global trading relationships are blown apart......where, with whom, when, and how......stop making it up, if you have a point fine, but don't express a wild opinion as fact........

 

[peteblue]

Complains about the sovereignty of EU.

Is happy with unelected government.

We have an elected Government, just as you have an elected Corbyn......