Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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ToffeeTim said:
And your inflation point is just wrong. The official CPI target is 2%. It's not close to that.
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Input prices have risen by more than 10% since the referendum - input prices being the precursor to manufacturers and retailers increasing prices, which leads to inflation. Lower value of currency increases commodity prices and inflates asset prices - if we are not careful we are entering an inflationary cycle with none of the usual tools available to turn it around.
 
The Esk said:
Input prices have risen by more than 10% since the referendum - input prices being the precursor to manufacturers and retailers increasing prices, which leads to inflation. Lower value of currency increases commodity prices and inflates asset prices - if we are not careful we are entering an inflationary cycle with none of the usual tools available to turn it around.
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Interest rates....
 
ToffeeTim said:
Not very many. Not as many as proportionately we should.

It's not racist to think we should keep net immigration at a sustainable, controlled level. That's not controllable in the EU.
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Something like less than 2% of this country is built on.

There was no desperate need to halt the rate of population growth.
 
peteblue said:
This is an excellent post. It is fairly obvious, and most political commentators agree, that we were being pushed into the margins, not in shengen, not in euro, not wanting a euro army etc etc. There would come a time when it would be obvious,even to the remain voters that we just didn't fit and that we should leave. The difference being that while it will be difficult now, it would have been absolute mayhem in the future........
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You know all those things we disagree with?

We could have vetoed them by being in the EU, and shaped the discussion.

100% of the population would have been for leaving if a treaty change tried to force something meaningful on us. That treaty hasn't happened.

So why vote to leave now? We've basically kicked ourselves in the testicles to do it.
 
Tubey said:
Yet.

Also, I just explained why devaluation occurs and, yes, in the short term it's fine - it keeps us competitive. But it's a short term bandage, not a long term aid. It has a limit.

In regards to CT, we'd have to drop it to levels that will cost the treasury ridiculous amounts, because we'd have to compete with the likes of Ireland, who will be in the EU.

Sorry, but I really don't think you comprehend just how bad this could get in the mid- to long-term, and for what?
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We, the Uk, did not devalue the pound. The Market did, and our BoE are very happy about it at the moment. But currency values can go up as well as down and the pound can be raised or lowered depending on what we need and how we are viewed. The underlying economy is doing well, don't get hung up on Sterling, no one else is........
 
Tubey said:
You know all those things we disagree with?

We could have vetoed them by being in the EU, and shaped the discussion.

100% of the population would have been for leaving if a treaty change tried to force something meaningful on us. That treaty hasn't happened.

So why vote to leave now? We've basically kicked ourselves in the testicles to do it.
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You can't veto anything in the EU. Ireland tried to and we're forced to take another vote to back Lisbon.
 
peteblue said:
We, the Uk, did not devalue the pound. The Market did, and our BoE are very happy about it at the moment. But currency values can go up as well as down and the pound can be raised or lowered depending on what we need and how we are viewed. The underlying economy is doing well, don't get hung up on Sterling, no one else is........
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Obviously. That's what I just said, it happened organically - but it happened in response to something; as a counter-balance.

There's a floor to that counter-balancing - it cannot persist forever. As said, it's a bandage, not a surgical repair.
 
Tubey said:
You know all those things we disagree with?

We could have vetoed them by being in the EU, and shaped the discussion.

100% of the population would have been for leaving if a treaty change tried to force something meaningful on us. That treaty hasn't happened.

So why vote to leave now? We've basically kicked ourselves in the testicles to do it.
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No mate, many votes are now by majority, and we are not in the majority. In addition the EU is adding countries by the day. It will eventually fall apart, hopefully peacefully, but it will fall apart, all crappy structures do..........
 
Tubey said:
Obviously. That's what I just said, it happened organically - but it happened in response to something; as a counter-balance.

There's a floor to that counter-balancing - it cannot persist forever. As said, it's a bandage, not a surgical repair.
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It's not a bandage, no one set out to apply it, it's just a fortunate point in history.....
 
peteblue said:
Did you want the Lisbon agreement ?.......
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Nope, but we would have had a say on anything from here on in - a referendum on any treaty change.

If the EU tried to impose something substantial, we would have left. Then it would have been unaminous, because it would conflict with our national interests quite clearly, and the whole populace would see it that way.

But right now? Just can't see it.
 
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