Current Affairs EU In or Out

[dead_soft]

It depends what benefits you are looking for. 95% of U.K. businesses have no dealing with the EU, yet 100% of our businesses have to obey EU law and whatever bureaucracy they determine.

do you evidence for this?? Seems very unlikely.

If my business has no dealing with London should I not have to follow any laws that are set there?

 

[Barnfred 55]

I think you may find that those that voted to leave, apart from @tsubaki , are probably quite happy with what we have and where we are......

Not sure on that Pete. I reckon there are a lot of Leave voters out there that wanted a clean break from the EU, and the only way to get that in reality was no trade deal. Personally I think they're bonkers.

I'm pleased to have a deal, not least because it sets a framework for future co-operation rather than friction. But I'm not happy about other aspects such as the Immigration Bill which totally overlooks our requirement for low skilled and seasonal workers.

 

[ste d' indica]

do you evidence for this?? Seems very unlikely.

If my business has no dealing with London should I not have to follow any laws that are set there?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Think that has more to do with the thousands of Spanish people who cross the border every day to work. I went to Gib 2 years ago and had to show my passport. So nothing changing for us

Which means that anyone within the EU Schengen zone can enter Gibraltar freely but U.K. citizens will have go through passport control to enter a U.K. territory. You literally couldn’t make it up lol

 

[JammyP]

Handy cut out and keep guide to this magnificent deal as it affects travel etc, from tomorrow:

How will travel to the EU change for Britons after Brexit?

From 31 December, travel to EU countries will be different for UK citizens. We look into how passports, healthcare, driving and duty-free will be affected

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bruce Wayne]

No because all the remainers ever do is put up reports and comments about how Britain will be affected. As Pete says it works both ways

I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but the EU have been quite open from the start of this in saying that this is a lose-lose situation for both the UK and the EU. They don't expect things to get better as a result of Brexit and so damage limitation is precisely what they were hoping for. It's the Brexiters who were selling this as something that will make our lives better who are now performing mental gymnastics to polish their turd.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That 95% is a completely misleading stat and if you don’t realise why that’s the case then you either don’t know what you’re talking about or you’re being completely disingenuous.

I can't believe my barber isn't selling a short back and sides to Paris tbh. Hopefully once they've been trained to fill some forms in they'll be export ready.

 

[ste d' indica]

I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but the EU have been quite open from the start of this in saying that this is a lose-lose situation for both the UK and the EU. They don't expect things to get better as a result of Brexit and so damage limitation is precisely what they were hoping for. It's the Brexiters who were selling this as something that will make our lives better who are now performing mental gymnastics to polish their turd.

Having our turd and indeed eating it.

 

[Prevenger17]

Nobody knows yet if it will be a success or failure. A lot of people want it to fail so they can say, See I was right. I've never said it will be a success because I don't have a crystal ball

We know mate. Wait and see is a great strategy for an entire nation substantially worsening their economic situation on a whim

 

[ste d' indica]

He was, while not a prominent campaigner, a presence during the campaign advocating we leave the EU. As a result, the rights we all enjoyed as EU citizens were taken away from us, and leave campaigners told us we'd all be better off as a result. So yes, it matters that Jim Ratcliffe builds his car in France rather than Wales, it matters that Johnson wants to retain the power that EU citizenship imbues. They wanted what we've all got. They should live with it, just as we all are. Move on, as you might say.

Johnson's arl fella was a vocal remainer mate. You are dead right on everything else though.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but the EU have been quite open from the start of this in saying that this is a lose-lose situation for both the UK and the EU. They don't expect things to get better as a result of Brexit and so damage limitation is precisely what they were hoping for. It's the Brexiters who were selling this as something that will make our lives better who are now performing mental gymnastics to polish their turd.

Is right. Both sides entered the trade deal negotiations knowing that the end result would be a worse position than the starting point. It’s literally a World first, a trade deal that was always going to add barriers to trade as the stated outcome.

We were simultaneously claiming that no deal with the largest trade bloc on the planet - that’s on our doorstep and accounts for nearly half of our exports, would have been sound, whilst desperately running round the globe trying to cobble together copy and paste continuity FTA’s.

Which lead to confused Brexiteers on SM lauding a continuity FTA with the Faroe Islands whilst screaming WTO is the way to go! for trade with the EU. Completely bonkers.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Johnson's arl fella was a vocal remainer mate. You are dead right on everything else though.

"I am a Leaver!": Stanley Johnson switches sides in Brexit debate | LBC

In an exclusive interview with Nigel Farage on LBC, Stanley Johnson declared his support for Brexit.

www.lbc.co.uk

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Is right. Both sides entered the trade deal negotiations knowing that the end result would be a worse position than the starting point. It’s literally a World first, a trade deal that was always going to add barriers to trade as the stated outcome.

We were simultaneously claiming that no deal with the largest trade bloc on the planet - that’s on our doorstep and accounts for nearly half of our exports, would have been sound, whilst desperately running round the globe trying to cobble together copy and paste continuity FTA’s.

Which lead to confused Brexiteers on SM lauding a continuity FTA with the Faroe Islands whilst screaming WTO is the way to go! for trade with the EU. Completely bonkers.

The thing is, deep down I think Johnson knows this is a complete turkey. It doesn't affect him one jot, so he's happy to ride this populist bandwagon for as long as it keeps him in power. Lest we forget, this is a man who cut his journalistic teeth by making up things about Brussels. He knows how to push Pete's buttons.

 

[ste d' indica]

"I am a Leaver!": Stanley Johnson switches sides in Brexit debate | LBC

In an exclusive interview with Nigel Farage on LBC, Stanley Johnson declared his support for Brexit.

www.lbc.co.uk

Thats a pretty disingenuous headline if you listen to that interview (and its only a snippet), and he was a vocal remainer during the campaign, in opposition to his son. If the old fella wants to live in France I'll let that one slide.

 

[BlueDraka]

We know mate. Wait and see is a great strategy for an entire nation substantially worsening their economic situation on a whim

But that's what historians do . They wait and see and then judge big something was successful or not. It may well turn out to be disastrous but we can't say that yet