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How long do you think it will be before an arch remainer stands up and says I was wrong?

How are you even asking a question like that this long into the discussion - genuinely baffling.

 

[BlueDraka]

We all hope the UK does well...questioning the logic of something you can demonstrably say has reduced individual freedom, made trade more difficult, made it more difficult to access security information, made it more difficult for the UK service industry does not change that.

You might even suggest people are highlighting it so as to ensure the UK has a better chance of prospering rather than simply 'surviving'.

Or you could say people are moaning and dismiss it all as 'project Fear'.

Hopefully everybody has the best interests of the UK in mind. No problem with anyone highlighting stuff.

 

[BlueDraka]

Probably for the best. Just try not to get drawn into any more unpleasantness about 'White Lives matter' again.

??????

 

[Jebus_lives]

If you can let me know something I was wring about I'll hold my hands up.

 

[Jebus_lives]

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It was a reference to your previously banned account.

 

[Jebus_lives]

If you can let me know something I was wring about I'll hold my hands up.

Hold my hands up, that's not how you spell wrong.

 

[BlueDraka]

It was a reference to your previously banned account.

Don't believe everything you read

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

That the whole point. Nobody knows what will happen. Id rather go with Pete's optimistic view and hope that he is right than the pessimism than most remainers have.

Only that’s not true. If you put up barriers to trade you do less trade, that’s simply how it works. We don’t need to ‘wait and see’ at all. We’ve chosen to leave the SM and *cough* customs union......so trade with the EU will reduce, as sure as night follows day.

Foreign owned U.K. manufacturing plants based here to service the U.K. & European markets will slowly but surely relocate to the European mainland, that’s just basic logic, due to their complex supply chains that’ll be far easier to manage within the customs union. See Patrick Minford for details.

And for what? Some undefined new world of trade that literally no one can explain and a ‘feeling’ of having more lovely Sovereignty that most people don’t even understand the true meaning of.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Don't believe everything you read

Yr probably right.

 

[BlueDraka]

Only that’s not true. If you put up barriers to trade you do less trade, that’s simply how it works. We don’t need to ‘wait and see’ at all. We’ve chosen to leave the SM and *cough* customs union......so trade with the EU will reduce, as sure as night follows day.

Foreign owned U.K. manufacturing plants based here to service the U.K. & European markets will slowly but surely relocate to the European mainland, that’s just basic logic, due to their complex supply chains that’ll be far easier to manage within the customs union. See Patrick Minford for details.

And for what? Some undefined new world of trade that literally no one can explain and a ‘feeling’ of having more lovely Sovereignty that most people don’t even understand the true meaning of.

You may be right. Patrick Minford I will always associate with Thatcher so I wouldn't listen to him.
As I say I'm an optimist and hope we do well. If not there is always the option of rejoining the EU again probably on worse terms!

 

[Barnfred 55]

For me The EU debate has gone. The big test for me is that the blond idiot delivers on his leveling up agenda. The HS3 is an important one to start with. But I won't hold my breadth. The Tories and labour haven't delivered for the north in many years

He hasn't shown himself to be especially pragmatic so far, but deep down he must realise that he has no chance of winning the next election if he doesn't follow up on his levelling up promises.

They are not announcing details of the Shared Prosperity Fund (the successor to the EU structural funds) until the Spring and for me they need to ensure that this is at least double what we received under the Euro funding last time around, which was £9bn over a 7 year period. They also need to ensure this goes to the most needy areas unlike the Small Towns fund where the majority went to Tory marginal seats.

The money pledged for fisheries will help a bit, but for me, there are 2 area's where the Government can really show it's intent. The first is public spending on transport and infrastructure. Not only expanding this in the north but using northern based companies in the manufacturing process, for instance HS2 rolling stock and naval ships. The second area is in funding the development of green technology and making the UK a world leader. Examples are in steel manufacturing, wind turbines, electric cars.

Over the next 20 years the UK has to double the amount of electricity it creates whilst at the same time massively reducing it's carbon footprint, and all this at a time when many of our nuclear power stations are being mothballed. It's a massive opportunity for developing renewable energy engineering. The demand for electric cars will also increase exponentially and there's no reason why we can't manufacture a decent percentage of our own domestic needs. Also car batteries require Lithium. World production is dominated by open mines in China and South America, and both are extremely damaging to the environment. It's a little known fact that there are huge reserves of Lithium in Cornwall, that can be easily accessed from existing disused tin and copper mines. In fact, there are still large quantities of tin and copper that are economical to mine again due to the high prices of both commodities. All it needs is development funding from the government.

I know Cornwall isn't exactly in the North but it is one of the most deprived areas in the country.

The problem for me is that this Tory government hasn't shown it has the gumption to do anything about it. Time will tell.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I see Gibraltar is joining Schengen...

I’m old enough to remember the Brextremists suggesting we should send over the gunboats to protect it from the nasty EU.

Yet more winning.

 

[BlueDraka]

He hasn't shown himself to be especially pragmatic so far, but deep down he must realise that he has no chance of winning the next election if he doesn't follow up on his levelling up promises.

They are not announcing details of the Shared Prosperity Fund (the successor to the EU structural funds) until the Spring and for me they need to ensure that this is at least double what we received under the Euro funding last time around, which was £9bn over a 7 year period. They also need to ensure this goes to the most needy areas unlike the Small Towns fund where the majority went to Tory marginal seats.

The money pledged for fisheries will help a bit, but for me, there are 2 area's where the Government can really show it's intent. The first is public spending on transport and infrastructure. Not only expanding this in the north but using northern based companies in the manufacturing process, for instance HS2 rolling stock and naval ships. The second area is in funding the development of green technology and making the UK a world leader. Examples are in steel manufacturing, wind turbines, electric cars.

Over the next 20 years the UK has to double the amount of electricity it creates whilst at the same time massively reducing it's carbon footprint, and all this at a time when many of our nuclear power stations are being mothballed. It's a massive opportunity for developing renewable energy engineering. The demand for electric cars will also increase exponentially and there's no reason why we can't manufacture a decent percentage of our own domestic needs. Also car batteries require Lithium. World production is dominated by open mines in China and South America, and both are extremely damaging to the environment. It's a little known fact that there are huge reserves of Lithium in Cornwall, that can be easily accessed from existing disused tin and copper mines. In fact, there are still large quantities of tin and copper that are economical to mine again due to the high prices of both commodities. All it needs is development funding from the government.

I know Cornwall isn't exactly in the North but it is one of the most deprived areas in the country.

The problem for me is that this Tory government hasn't shown it has the gumption to do anything about it. Time will tell.

Agree with all you say Saw that program about the lithium in Cornwall. Could be a great boost to the Cornwall economy.
As we out of the EU does it mean that the government award contracts to a British company rather than a European company even if their tender is cheaper? I know you couldn't when we were in the EU as you fell foul of competition rules.

 

[BlueDraka]

I see Gibraltar is joining Schengen...

I’m old enough to remember the Brextremists suggesting we should send over the gunboats to protect it from the nasty EU.

Yet more winning.

Think that has more to do with the thousands of Spanish people who cross the border every day to work. I went to Gib 2 years ago and had to show my passport. So nothing changing for us

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

He hasn't shown himself to be especially pragmatic so far, but deep down he must realise that he has no chance of winning the next election if he doesn't follow up on his levelling up promises.

They are not announcing details of the Shared Prosperity Fund (the successor to the EU structural funds) until the Spring and for me they need to ensure that this is at least double what we received under the Euro funding last time around, which was £9bn over a 7 year period. They also need to ensure this goes to the most needy areas unlike the Small Towns fund where the majority went to Tory marginal seats.

The money pledged for fisheries will help a bit, but for me, there are 2 area's where the Government can really show it's intent. The first is public spending on transport and infrastructure. Not only expanding this in the north but using northern based companies in the manufacturing process, for instance HS2 rolling stock and naval ships. The second area is in funding the development of green technology and making the UK a world leader. Examples are in steel manufacturing, wind turbines, electric cars.

Over the next 20 years the UK has to double the amount of electricity it creates whilst at the same time massively reducing it's carbon footprint, and all this at a time when many of our nuclear power stations are being mothballed. It's a massive opportunity for developing renewable energy engineering. The demand for electric cars will also increase exponentially and there's no reason why we can't manufacture a decent percentage of our own domestic needs. Also car batteries require Lithium. World production is dominated by open mines in China and South America, and both are extremely damaging to the environment. It's a little known fact that there are huge reserves of Lithium in Cornwall, that can be easily accessed from existing disused tin and copper mines. In fact, there are still large quantities of tin and copper that are economical to mine again due to the high prices of both commodities. All it needs is development funding from the government.

I know Cornwall isn't exactly in the North but it is one of the most deprived areas in the country.

The problem for me is that this Tory government hasn't shown it has the gumption to do anything about it. Time will tell.

Cornwall completely shafted itself over Brexit

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