Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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do you evidence for this?? Seems very unlikely.

Depends on where you look

0.7% here

facts4eu

From official Government and HMRC figures for 2019

  • 99.3% of all UK businesses do NOT export goods to the EU
  • Even after excluding sole traders, the picture is similar
  • 97.2% of the UK’s 1.4 million employers do NOT export goods to the EU
  • Just 39,000 UK employers export goods to the EU
or its up to 11% here

full fact

Depending on which you use, probably between around 5% and 8% of businesses export to the EU. “Indicative estimates” published by the government could justify a figure of up to around 11%, if you’re willing to make enough assumptions.


*Note: exports only, good assumption that the figures will be higher if imports are also counted
 
Cornwall completely shafted itself over Brexit

Thanks for that. I didn't fully read Sunaks recent statement and had no idea he'd given some detail on the Shared Prosperity Fund. £220m is totally derisory for next year. A joke. The article did say it is being ramped up to £1.5bn a year but didn't give any time span for this. But I suppose £1.5bn a year on top of the Small Town funding of £3.6bn is a bit more acceptable when compared to the last EU funding of £1.3bn a year.

As regards Cornwall specifically, the Government really do need to be very careful. All of the MPs down here are Tory, but the margins aren't huge. Cornwall is historically a Libdem county, but support for them has been steadily dwindling over the last 20 years or so. Labour are now the second party and it won't take much of a swing from either Libdem or Tory for them to take seats.

The article you posted is a little bit one sided in that Tim Dwelly is a Labour councillor and will always be anti Tory. There was no guarantee as to what Cornwall was going to receive in the next round of funding. It has received EU funds for 21 years from 2000 and the indications were that we would receive £350m for the next tranche, or £50m a year. Quite a bit less than the £100m quoted in that article.

We don't yet know how the Shared prosperity Fund is going to be divvied out and Tim Dwelly is focusing on the worse case scenario. That may still happen and I'm not denying that, but the government must be aware that there would be a massive backlash if it does. There are also 4 Cornish Towns on the Small Towns Fund list so in theory there could be another £100m in investment there. I must say though that neither St Ives or Truro are deprived areas. They are Tory marginal seats though, so their inclusion on that list is extremely dubious to say the least.

Cornwall will also benefit from the fisheries funding but I have no idea by how much. It will also expect to benefit from Agriculture funding, which is designed to benefit proper farmers rather than the UK share of the CAP, 80% of which went to billionaire landowners.

What the region really needs though is investment in the mining industry.
 
Depends on where you look

0.7% here

facts4eu

From official Government and HMRC figures for 2019

  • 99.3% of all UK businesses do NOT export goods to the EU
  • Even after excluding sole traders, the picture is similar
  • 97.2% of the UK’s 1.4 million employers do NOT export goods to the EU
  • Just 39,000 UK employers export goods to the EU
or its up to 11% here

full fact

Depending on which you use, probably between around 5% and 8% of businesses export to the EU. “Indicative estimates” published by the government could justify a figure of up to around 11%, if you’re willing to make enough assumptions.


*Note: exports only, good assumption that the figures will be higher if imports are also counted
That's being disingenuous though, as the government's own figures suggest that those businesses exporting to the EU make up 82% of all exporters. It's not, as the leave campaign suggested, that businesses are already "trading with the world" and therefore EU trade is inconsequential. The reality is that the vast majority of exporting companies do so with the EU.

 
But that's what historians do . They wait and see and then judge big something was successful or not. It may well turn out to be disastrous but we can't say that yet


Yeah, but if my government said they were going to knowingly shave 4% off our GDP and plunge small businesses into a short-mid term (at least) crisis many of them may not survive, I'd like to see the tangible upsides and what their plan is. You know, ask how they will help struggling businesses through the hit, how they're going to make it work. If my government had no plan, no programs for helping businesses, previously existing international deals up in the air and they offered no solution to the skyrocketing costs of doing business abroad, I wouldn't want to be told "wait and see".

The people here don't want Brexit to fail and don't want their country to fail, they want to know how they are going to address the myriad issues that are 100% definitely going to arise out of leaving the EU. You've left the EU, now what? How are you not getting this?
 
Agree with all you say Saw that program about the lithium in Cornwall. Could be a great boost to the Cornwall economy.
As we out of the EU does it mean that the government award contracts to a British company rather than a European company even if their tender is cheaper? I know you couldn't when we were in the EU as you fell foul of competition rules.
My understanding is that the government is allowed to offer contracts to whoever it wants to. And I would certainly be looking to use British companies provided they have the expertise to deliver. Preferably also not to companies owned the spouse or best chum of government ministers.

I also believe they should use the new relaxed procedures to invest in certain industries and companies. They need to be careful about EU competition rules, but we should be striving to be self sufficient on things like steel, power and, as much as possible, food.
 
That's being disingenuous though, as the government's own figures suggest that those businesses exporting to the EU make up 82% of all exporters. It's not, as the leave campaign suggested, that businesses are already "trading with the world" and therefore EU trade is inconsequential. The reality is that the vast majority of exporting companies do so with the EU.


that data is 6 years old and published 5 years ago

They linked the source to here: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/uk-trade-in-goods-by-business-characteristics-2014

Got anything more recent ?
 
That 95% is a completely misleading stat and if you don’t realise why that’s the case then you either don’t know what you’re talking about or you’re being completely disingenuous.

I understand it to be correct, but if you say it isn’t then please explain. Considering that EU trade is only about 10-12% of our GDP and the majority of our businesses are not multinationals, I could well believe that 95% of our businesses have no dealing with the EU.....
 
Yeah, but if my government said they were going to knowingly shave 4% off our GDP and plunge small businesses into a short-mid term (at least) crisis many of them may not survive, I'd like to see the tangible upsides and what their plan is. You know, ask how they will help struggling businesses through the hit, how they're going to make it work. If my government had no plan, no programs for helping businesses, previously existing international deals up in the air and they offered no solution to the skyrocketing costs of doing business abroad, I wouldn't want to be told "wait and see".

The people here don't want Brexit to fail and don't want their country to fail, they want to know how they are going to address the myriad issues that are 100% definitely going to arise out of leaving the EU. You've left the EU, now what? How are you not getting this?
Could you link in where the government have said they are going to knowing shave 4% of our GDP? We left the EU nearly 12 months ago. There have been government adverts about the new rules coming in for months. If you're a business you hopefully had time to get ready
 
Depends on where you look

0.7% here

facts4eu

From official Government and HMRC figures for 2019

  • 99.3% of all UK businesses do NOT export goods to the EU
  • Even after excluding sole traders, the picture is similar
  • 97.2% of the UK’s 1.4 million employers do NOT export goods to the EU
  • Just 39,000 UK employers export goods to the EU
or its up to 11% here

full fact

Depending on which you use, probably between around 5% and 8% of businesses export to the EU. “Indicative estimates” published by the government could justify a figure of up to around 11%, if you’re willing to make enough assumptions.


*Note: exports only, good assumption that the figures will be higher if imports are also counted

Directly exporting goods is only one of the many ways a business can have involvement with the EU.
 
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