Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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peteblue said:
My wife owns a shop and workshop, manufactures product on the premises, and a fair % of her materials come from the EU. She has arranged for U.K. suppliers to fill the gap...and not a single brown envelope in sight.......
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Anecdotal examples of success do not disprove the argument that as a whole businesses will suffer.

The business I work for may actually benefit long term as a large number of the products we import are from outside the EU so already subject to tariffs. That doesn’t mean Brexit isn’t a mess generally.
 
peteblue said:
It’s not the businesses fault, even though I reckon they will have prepared, it’s the fault of Politicians and bureaucrats......
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Tory politicians, pete. No other party has been in government since the referendum, and any bureaucrats who've objected have been railroaded out (with your backing).

What happens over the next months and years is on that party.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Maybe try and appreciate the disgust many feel at the daily tarnishing of our reputation.
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Yet no words about the behaviour or insane demands, which even you agreed with, from the likes of Macron. Things are going to change, I believe for the better, you believe for the worse, but with change always comes opportunities.
Liverpool for instance will grow because of its position and investment in Port facilities, as we seek additional world trade. In terms of reputation, yes the internal market bill looked crack handed, but anyone with a brain could see it was purely a negotiating ploy. Meanwhile put yourself in the shoes of any country wishing an FTA with the EU and looking in at the absurd demands they make. There is a reason Mercosur has taken over 20 years to even get close to a deal, and even now Macron is refusing for it to go ahead.

Of course there will be problems as various EU countries throw their toys out of the pram and French fishermen blockade ports and trade between the U.K. and EU. But there is far more to life than the trade we do with the EU. Our trade will expand, Liz Truss has already signed and rolled over trade agreements with fifty odd countries worth £200Bn in twelve months so trust and reputation are still on our side. The U.K. will be an easy deal compared to negotiating with 27 countries and requiring ratification by some 35 countries and regions, all of whom have a veto and their own particular agendas.

I am not trying to be blaise about this because I know it will require tremendous effort and some initial pain, but we will come through it and we will prosper and in the same time we’ve been trying to leave we will look back and wonder what the fuss was about.....
 
Brennan said:
Anecdotal examples of success do not disprove the argument that as a whole businesses will suffer.

The business I work for may actually benefit long term as a large number of the products we import are from outside the EU so already subject to tariffs. That doesn’t mean Brexit isn’t a mess generally.
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So the example I gave and the example you gave don’t count then.....
 
spectateur said:
Increased production depends on plant or machine availability, materials supply as well as labour.
It does need quite a bit of planning.
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peteblue said:
Ok, let’s go with your corset example. What is the selling price, say £15 up to £1500. If sold in a shop then the cost to the shop is £7.50 - £750. Now not all of the materials will come from the EU so say 50% of materials come from the EU and they go up by 10%, so the cost of materials for the item has risen by 5%, but the materials may be only 50% of the cost of manufacture, with Labour and overheads taking the other, plus a little profit for the manufacturer. So say on the £7.50 job the profit is £1.50, Labour, manufacture and overheads £3 and materials £3. The materials have gone up by 5% so it’s now £3.15. So if the manufacturer of the garment passes on the whole cost the item now costs £7.65 and the cost in the shop will be £15.30, of which the shopkeeper has gained 15p additional profit. So now on an item of £1500, the new cost is £1530...will this result in no sale ? I doubt it.....oh and throw the additional VAT on it....
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I think we must be talking cross-purposes Pete. I'm coming from a competitive quality cottage industry perspective, not from that of large or medium business that fires out mass produced chodd.
 
peteblue said:
Liverpool for instance will grow because of its position and investment in Port facilities, as we seek additional world trade.
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not true pete, Peel have been trying to bring additional trade in well before Brexit. But to do that you have to convince shipping lines to change routes, which they are very sceptical about doing so.

It’s why Terminal 2 isn’t 30% operational after being open for 4 years
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Presumably, also should the Navy decide to attack fishermen, that will be a clear breach of Article 5 of Nato and encourage all other members to kick our arse?
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This is what it would of always come down to are we stupid enough to threaten war with Europe or our politicians humiliate themselves backtracking , its lose lose situation.
 
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