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[Jebus_lives]

I like traffic wardens.

Possibly the most controversial statement made in this thread.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Those who take the pi$$ out of the welfare state, we've got enough of our own who do that already.

You know, I used to think like this when I was bored, grumpy at life and in my late 20s. Then I read around a bit and realised that the level of pay in entry level jobs in the uk hasn't risen in a decade, that you'll still be reliant on in work benefits to make ends meet and that benefit fraud is such a vanishingly small % of the annual spend on welfare that the only reason it keeps coming up is (along with immigration) as a way for governments of all stripes to tell people to "look over there" whilst they do nothing to improve the lot of the people at the bottom of society.

 

[Kurt.]

Those who take the pi$$ out of the welfare state, we've got enough of our own who do that already.

Like who ?

 

[DowellsLeftPeg]

You seem to be a bit confused. Not long ago you were saying that (mostly non-white) refugees were causing mass youth unemployment, and now you say you want to stop free movement because all of Europe is apparently white and coming here to pick up benefits. It's hard to know where to start to be honest. And regarding your last point, that does appear to be Labour's policy (as per their conference at least), and if they actually campaigned on that, I would seriously consider backing them.

I'm saying uncontrolled migration is problematic for all states, 500m and 27 other states have access. Some states have geographic consequences for which the collective belatedly provides ineffective options. EFTA and other closely aligned but more politically and economically soveriegn countries, all can plug into the system with minimal obstructions through reciprocal agreements

After Brexit, we will need to give visa's to get trade deals, so your looking at diversification of migrants, travellers to the UK and probably a larger volume, but more customised for economic needs and more fair and clear in terms of policy

 

[roydo]

I'm saying uncontrolled migration is problematic for all states, 500m and 27 other states have access. Some states have geographic consequences for which the collective belatedly provides ineffective options. EFTA and other closely aligned but more politically and economically soveriegn countries, all can plug into the system with minimal obstructions through reciprocal agreements

After Brexit, we will need to give visa's to get trade deals, so your looking at diversification of migrants, travellers to the UK and probably a larger volume, but more customised for economic needs and more fair and clear in terms of policy

Since joining a Football Forum a few weeks ago, every post has been in here, with a decidedly dicey agenda to boot. We have had similar before, so I will say to you what we say to them all.

Go and spread your agenda in a Political Forum, not a Football one.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Juncker:

We don't need an extension because we have a deal.

Q: But what happens if Parliament doesn't approve a deal?

I don't control British Parliament.

BBC:

 

[Kurt.]

Nothing is done until it’s done

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Juncker:

We don't need an extension because we have a deal.

Q: But what happens if Parliament doesn't approve a deal?

I don't control British Parliament.

BBC:

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Touch blackmaily that JC...

 

[davids]

Surely the most sensible thing to do, given there seems to be some support for this, is to ask for an extension and have a genuine debate about the merits.

It's only Boris Johnson's 'die in a ditch' language that is stopping it and, I think the sensible elements of society will say that a new deal deserves proper deliberation. Ask for the extension, then bring this deal to Parliament, let the debate be had, make sure it can be legally binding, then of it's agreed within the extension period, then so be it.

Rushing a 500+ page document through Parliament and the EU, on an issue this important is not a responsible.

Doddle,if Corbyn is to be believed it's a ten minute read and reject.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Juncker:

We don't need an extension because we have a deal.

Q: But what happens if Parliament doesn't approve a deal?

I don't control British Parliament.

BBC:

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Has somebody told @Joey66 he doesn't control parliament?

 

[davek]

Juncker:

We don't need an extension because we have a deal.

Q: But what happens if Parliament doesn't approve a deal?

I don't control British Parliament.

BBC:

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Juncker's bladdered again.

 

[summerisle]

Now if Corbyn had voted, as offered, for a General Election then the Tories would have had to run on a no deal ticket. However, Boris has been given the time to get a deal in place, so he can now run on a ticket of observing the referendum result and putting a deal in place. Corbyn now has a massive decision. Agree the deal and get his Brexit Labour supporters back, or reject the deal thereby putting all the cards into the hands of Boris.....

*Johnson.

 

[Kurt.]

Doddle,if Corbyn is to be believed it's a ten minute read and reject.

I wouldn’t waste 10 minutes on it personally

 

[summerisle]

I’m sure Boris would be happy to have a referendum on Deal or No Deal......

*Johnson.

 

[peteblue]

Juncker:

We don't need an extension because we have a deal.

Q: But what happens if Parliament doesn't approve a deal?

I don't control British Parliament.

BBC:

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I would assume Boris has it stitched up. He will have agreed for the EU to refuse to extend if it’s voted down, on the basis that Boris can then put the deal forward again with the alternative of No Deal happening on the 31st.....