Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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DowellsLeftPeg said:
UK will be more open than the EU is, and always has been more so than other members

UK has commonwealth migration which until fairly recently, was higher than EU migration. But UK has controls on Commonwealth migration, so its always the one to suffer, takes the burden or the hit

If anyone wants to travel they still can, and probably new options, routes. If you want to work in either direction, its a bit of admin, but if your coming to work it'll be easy to arrange through employment. And if you want to live somewhere else, you can apply and country decides

I had a thought about this a while back, as I did really value FoM, but I came to decision I don't really need right to live in 27 other countries, and most places will welcome you if you have the resources or work ethic. I think 500m citizens with right to move, homogenizes culture, identity and creates unmanagable flow and disorder. You can't neccessarily expect a government to treat new citizens well, if it doesn't control whats going on
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One thing I have noticed recently is that the majority of (I think) Eastern Europeans delivering for Amazon and the like either don't understand English enough or just can't be bothered to carry out delivery instructions. Maybe it's me, but when I did home deliveries I always delivered where the customer asked, rather than chuck it over the garden fence or (as in where I now live) leave it with the house manager regardless of the fact that I was in, and that it was me who answered the buzzer. I know that might be human nature but, after I answer the buzzer and ask who the delivery is for, then say "OK, first floor." only for the driver to shout "Just open ze door!" and then dump it on the house manager's desk, I take exception to it. And I bloody-well told him so as well because I shot downstairs knowing it's what he'd do!

Still, at least he's got a job I suppose.
 
Paris said:
You are giving them a status that they don't deserve.

I liken it to choosing a solicitor or a doctor to run your personal affairs as you best see fit. They are ultimately accountable to us and we decide if they're doing a good job or whether they should be binned.
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Itd liken it, given the common law that surrounds employment, to a sui generis status.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
And yet you want to stop people coming here who do just that.
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I don't want to stop anyone, the current system favours white europeans

I'd like a more compassionate and open setup. With more freedom to move, more options for work, and amnesty for those here a long period of time, up until EU membership ends etc

If you want you can now campaign in UK for completely open border policy and we could do it
 
Amw79 said:
It’s a red, white and blue Brexit.

(I don’t know what this means)
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No mate, Brexit means Brexit.

Apparently, a half in/half out Brexit that wasn't acceptable, because Brexit means Brexit, is now acceptable because we need to get Brexit done, because Brexit means Brexit which is what 17.4m people voted for.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Yes, and there were various other countries that also performed poorly in the wake of the financial crisis. France, for instance, also has very high youth unemployment, whereas Germany, which has more foreign citizens living there than any other country in Europe, has among the lowest youth unemployment rates. Those countries had significant structural problems in their economy, and the great recession had a big impact. It's got bugger all to do with refugees from Syria.

And just so we're clear here, this was providing safe haven for people fleeing a war zone. There was a time when some Brits used to be lauded for that.

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There's nothing to stop us from still offering a safe haven. It's the ability to pick and chose who's allowed in that's key; those who genuinely seek refuge or those who seek to take us for all we've got.
 
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