Current Affairs EU In or Out

[dwightschrute]

''MPs have voted in favour of an amendment that will allow for a longer debate and for MPs to table amendments on Saturday if the House were to sit. ''

This should be interesting, is Bercow gonna pick a second ref amendment to attach to the deal that Labour will probably then back

 

[Paris]

Odd terminology

We employ them with our votes do we not?

 

[dublinbluenose]

He has a deal which still has to be approved by the EU and Parliament. As far as the voters will be concerned they know he’s done his bit. They will also know who is responsible if it doesn’t pass. Boris probably doesn’t mind one way or the other....

You give Johnson far to much credit, voters wont.

 

[DowellsLeftPeg]

That graph shows a clear divergence between EU and Greece, Spain, unless I'm missing something - This has nothing to do with migration. Economic migrants don't move to countries with no employment

After Brexit, UK will have more migrants from outside EU, it's who controls the border, UK or EU - why? The UK do and always have controlled their own borders

What kind of relationship does that build between host nation and new potential citizen, that you monitor their employment status from the start. Then consider the cost of processing, enforcing such a system that monitors hundreds of thousands of people. Then the legal costs if anyone decides to escalate it to an EU to decide

The right to move seems an inherently good one, let people move easily. The right to work in any country obviously has a direct impact on trade, economy, as explained. The right to live in any country, means 500m have potential access to services

It's not intended as scaremongering or opinions, it's about the current system. UK signed up to a trade union and a common market for trade, and it's become a big bureaucracy. What's a country, when it no longer controls policy on it's borders, citizenship, laws, currency, subsidies, trade, regulations, economy

 

[Jebus_lives]

We employ them with our votes do we not?

Not really no. We elect them.

 

[dublinbluenose]

What kind of relationship does that build between host nation and new potential citizen, that you monitor their employment status from the start. Then consider the cost of processing, enforcing such a system that monitors hundreds of thousands of people. Then the legal costs if anyone decides to escalate it to an EU to decide

The right to move seems an inherently good one, let people move easily. The right to work in any country obviously has a direct impact on trade, economy, as explained. The right to live in any country, means 500m have potential access to services

It's not intended as scaremongering or opinions, it's about the current system. UK signed up to a trade union and a common market for trade, and it's become a big bureaucracy. What's a country, when it no longer controls policy on it's borders, citizenship, laws, currency, subsidies, trade, regulations, economy

The UK does controls it's own borders, laws, economy, citizenship, the rest it agrees with it's partners in EU. Stop posting this guff it makes you sound ridiculous. The UK literally has a different currency to every other EU state.

 

[Paris]

Not really no. We elect them.

You are giving them a status that they don't deserve.

I liken it to choosing a solicitor or a doctor to run your personal affairs as you best see fit. They are ultimately accountable to us and we decide if they're doing a good job or whether they should be binned.

 

[Davidoff]

Ian Duncan Smith 'has concerns' about the deal, according to sky news reporter

it's never getting through (without referendum attached atleast)

 

[orly]

1/ who could have expected the absiolute collapse of Johnson and the Tories habding the EU all they wanted?
2/ it's not a deal yet...remember, "it's only agreed when everything is agreed.

Absolutely right. I always felt we'd get a paper deal, but what happens next? Dunno.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Corbyn would not vote for anything Johnson brought back, he's just a spoiler, so irritating, I'm no longer a Labour supporter while he's in charge, should be out and on the backbenches after the next GE.

 

[peteblue]

Ian Duncan Smith 'has concerns' about the deal, according to sky news reporter

it's never getting through (without referendum attached atleast)

I’m sure Boris would be happy to have a referendum on Deal or No Deal......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

UK will be more open than the EU is, and always has been more so than other members

UK has commonwealth migration which until fairly recently, was higher than EU migration. But UK has controls on Commonwealth migration, so its always the one to suffer, takes the burden or the hit

If anyone wants to travel they still can, and probably new options, routes. If you want to work in either direction, its a bit of admin, but if your coming to work it'll be easy to arrange through employment. And if you want to live somewhere else, you can apply and country decides

I had a thought about this a while back, as I did really value FoM, but I came to decision I don't really need right to live in 27 other countries, and most places will welcome you if you have the resources or work ethic. I think 500m citizens with right to move, homogenizes culture, identity and creates unmanagable flow and disorder. You can't neccessarily expect a government to treat new citizens well, if it doesn't control whats going on

And yet you want to stop people coming here who do just that.

 

[Amw79]

Remember when Johnson resigned from the cabinet over the “semi-Brexit” arrangement which he’s now proposing as his deal.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What kind of relationship does that build between host nation and new potential citizen, that you monitor their employment status from the start. Then consider the cost of processing, enforcing such a system that monitors hundreds of thousands of people. Then the legal costs if anyone decides to escalate it to an EU to decide

The right to move seems an inherently good one, let people move easily. The right to work in any country obviously has a direct impact on trade, economy, as explained. The right to live in any country, means 500m have potential access to services

It's not intended as scaremongering or opinions, it's about the current system. UK signed up to a trade union and a common market for trade, and it's become a big bureaucracy. What's a country, when it no longer controls policy on it's borders, citizenship, laws, currency, subsidies, trade, regulations, economy

Free movement was part of the treaty of Rome in the 1950s. Do people really do so little research?

 

[Kurt.]

Remember when Johnson resigned from the cabinet over the “semi-Brexit” arrangement which he’s now proposing as his deal.

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