Current Affairs EU In or Out

[orly]

Surely the most sensible thing to do, given there seems to be some support for this, is to ask for an extension and have a genuine debate about the merits.

It's only Boris Johnson's 'die in a ditch' language that is stopping it and, I think the sensible elements of society will say that a new deal deserves proper deliberation. Ask for the extension, then bring this deal to Parliament, let the debate be had, make sure it can be legally binding, then of it's agreed within the extension period, then so be it.

Rushing a 500+ page document through Parliament and the EU, on an issue this important is not a responsible.

I'm afraid mate 3 days or 3 months would make no difference on this issue. 90% of the House will never read it.

 

[Paris]

Politicians (of both persuasions) are severely misjudging the mood of their employers if they think we want this to go on forever.

Either agree or cancel Brexit. No going beyond October 31st.

Nigel Farage will of course be hoping that it goes on forever.

 

[dublinbluenose]

That graph shows a clear divergence between EU and Greece, Spain, unless I'm missing something - This has nothing to do with migration. Economic migrants don't move to countries with no employment

After Brexit, UK will have more migrants from outside EU, it's who controls the border, UK or EU - why? The UK do and always have controlled their own borders

EU says they have no control, but they make the rules and want a hard border in Ireland to protect SM, but sit back when it's a probem

It's just about EU, policy and socio economic impact, sovereignty. If you don't control who is a citizen or your money supply, you stop being a country and become more of a state within a country - this is rambling nonsense, only the UK can control who becomes a citizen of the UK. Being from another EU state doesn't give you citizenship of another EU state, just the freedom of movement.

 

[DowellsLeftPeg]

Yes, and there were various other countries that also performed poorly in the wake of the financial crisis. France, for instance, also has very high youth unemployment, whereas Germany, which has more foreign citizens living there than any other country in Europe, has among the lowest youth unemployment rates. Those countries had significant structural problems in their economy, and the great recession had a big impact. It's got bugger all to do with refugees from Syria.

And just so we're clear here, this was providing safe haven for people fleeing a war zone. There was a time when some Brits used to be lauded for that.

UK will be more open than the EU is, and always has been more so than other members

UK has commonwealth migration which until fairly recently, was higher than EU migration. But UK has controls on Commonwealth migration, so its always the one to suffer, takes the burden or the hit

If anyone wants to travel they still can, and probably new options, routes. If you want to work in either direction, its a bit of admin, but if your coming to work it'll be easy to arrange through employment. And if you want to live somewhere else, you can apply and country decides

I had a thought about this a while back, as I did really value FoM, but I came to decision I don't really need right to live in 27 other countries, and most places will welcome you if you have the resources or work ethic. I think 500m citizens with right to move, homogenizes culture, identity and creates unmanagable flow and disorder. You can't neccessarily expect a government to treat new citizens well, if it doesn't control whats going on

 

[peteblue]

No deal is blocked until there's a GE, Torries will have to run on a No deal platform and thats not gonna get them a majority.

2nd ref on remain or Johnson deal is the only way out, unless the HOC approves the deal somehow on Saturday.

Now if Corbyn had voted, as offered, for a General Election then the Tories would have had to run on a no deal ticket. However, Boris has been given the time to get a deal in place, so he can now run on a ticket of observing the referendum result and putting a deal in place. Corbyn now has a massive decision. Agree the deal and get his Brexit Labour supporters back, or reject the deal thereby putting all the cards into the hands of Boris.....

 

[SpongeBob brown shoes]

Surely the most sensible thing to do, given there seems to be some support for this, is to ask for an extension and have a genuine debate about the merits.

It's only Boris Johnson's 'die in a ditch' language that is stopping it and, I think the sensible elements of society will say that a new deal deserves proper deliberation. Ask for the extension, then bring this deal to Parliament, let the debate be had, make sure it can be legally binding, then of it's agreed within the extension period, then so be it.

Rushing a 500+ page document through Parliament and the EU, on an issue this important is not a responsible.

That would be the sensible and responsible way our politicians should approach this but as we've seen already, they'll spend the 3 month's bitching with eatchother before doing something constructive in the last week

 

[Jebus_lives]

I'm afraid mate 3 days or 3 months would make no difference on this issue. 90% of the House will never read it.

Sadly I think you're right

 

[Bluerover]

I've not read it because it will never pass, I'll wait for Andrew Neil to inform me on BBC2 now.

Hope Boris has not agreed to keep our tariffs and duties inline with the EU, this is how we are going become the most prosperous country in Europe, by undercutting them and being a very desirable place to set up shop.

Excellent point.

...and the EU member states will continue to buy 46% of all UK exports - worth £289Bn in 2018 ..

 

[The binman chronicles]

......Johnson being lauded as a hero by his own. It’s as expected. For some reason the Conservative Party remind me of LFC.

You couldn't make it up. He has microwaved May's deal and served up again, but this time it is wonderful.

Hopefully parliament will do the right thing but with an election before Christmas the MPs in leave areas may try and save their own backsides. Nothing like being unemployed to bend the mind into doing silly things.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Now if Corbyn had voted, as offered, for a General Election then the Tories would have had to run on a no deal ticket. However, Boris has been given the time to get a deal in place, so he can now run on a ticket of observing the referendum result and putting a deal in place. Corbyn now has a massive decision. Agree the deal and get his Brexit Labour supporters back, or reject the deal thereby putting all the cards into the hands of Boris.....

Johnson doesn't have a deal unless he can get it through parliament on Saturday.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Now if Corbyn had voted, as offered, for a General Election then the Tories would have had to run on a no deal ticket. However, Boris has been given the time to get a deal in place, so he can now run on a ticket of observing the referendum result and putting a deal in place. Corbyn now has a massive decision. Agree the deal and get his Brexit Labour supporters back, or reject the deal thereby putting all the cards into the hands of Boris.....

Not really bothered about the content of this are you...it's just about 'beating remainers' and ensuring nothing harms beloved Boris.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Politicians (of both persuasions) are severely misjudging the mood of their employers if they think we want this to go on forever.

Either agree or cancel Brexit. No going beyond October 31st.

Nigel Farage will of course be hoping that it goes on forever.

Odd terminology

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

What a disgrace, we’re a nation ruled by a bigoted tyrant that willing voted to ruin its younger generation’s futures, and we still have the gall to call ourselves either “Great” Britain or the “United” Kingdom.

The EU aren't that bad mate.

 

[peteblue]

Johnson doesn't have a deal unless he can get it through parliament on Saturday.

He has a deal which still has to be approved by the EU and Parliament. As far as the voters will be concerned they know he’s done his bit. They will also know who is responsible if it doesn’t pass. Boris probably doesn’t mind one way or the other....

 

[davek]

hello David @davek

1/ who could have expected the absiolute collapse of Johnson and the Tories habding the EU all they wanted?
2/ it's not a deal yet...remember, "it's only agreed when everything is agreed.