Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Kev The Rat]

In the end wasn't it the ERG that basically blocked any hope of a deal?

erm more like over 200 Labour Mps whipped into it.

 

[Brisan123]

How'd you reckon the Brexit Party would fare in that hypothetical election though? Surely not even Johnson is stupid enough to play that hand?

I think you underestimate the depth of Johnson’s stupidity

 

[Brisan123]

This is what happens when you have the DUP propping up the government for over 2 years - utter chaos.

Without them this would all have been sorted out. Brexit would have happened on 31st March all we would all be living reasonably happily ever after.

A very harsh lesson learnt for the UK.

It’s like back in the 70s
Ulster says NO

 

[Paris]

Have a referendum and a GE on the same day
Vote to remain and give the Tories and Brexit party an overall majority
Would make it interesting to say the least

Or vote remain and have a 'progressive' alliance and we can all sing kumbaya.

 

[Brisan123]

I know exactly why Boris, Gove, Mogg etc want Brexit as they stand to make millions.

For people on here who want Brexit, can I ask why? Especially those who are still happy with a no deal brexit?

They want their passport covers back

 

[The binman chronicles]

erm more like over 200 Labour Mps whipped into it.

Move the 34 Tory votes over from the no side and it is 320 against 310. The ayes have it the ayes have it. Unlock!

 

[degsy]

In the end wasn't it the ERG that basically blocked any hope of a deal?

Googled ERG and 'ked if I know. But I do know...or think I know which is the same thing, nothing that pushed forwards Brexit in a meaningful way apart from maybe Article 50(?) got passed
Don't blame it on the sunshine
Don't blame it on the moonlight
Don't blame it on good times

Nor the boogie

No, Blame it on Parliament

 

[Kev The Rat]

View attachment 66494

Move the 34 Tory votes over to from the no side and it is 320 against 310. The ayes have it the ayes have it. Unlock!

you will get puritans on both side of the argument.

but for Labour to whip 3 times against Mays deal purely to destabilise the government is disgraceful.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

you will get puritans on both side of the argument.

but for Labour to whip 3 times against Mays deal purely to destabilise the government is disgraceful.

Its part of any opposition job description.

 

[Brisan123]

Correct, Boris is in a terrible corner, unless he has something up his sleeve...

He has his monogrammed hanky up his sleeve ..........and that’s all
It’s his puppet master that does his thinking for him



The hanky is monogrammed in case he forgets his name

 

[The binman chronicles]

you will get puritans on both side of the argument.

but for Labour to whip 3 times against Mays deal purely to destabilise the government is disgraceful.

I see your point. But if May's withdrawal agreement was put before Parliament as the ONLY alternative to no deal it would pass. It is rubbish for the country but still less damaging than no deal.

 

[Khalekan]

It does work both ways though, moderate Tories in the south may see Corbyn as a bridge too far and vote for the Conservatives instead of a protest Liberal vote this time. Tbh I can't see the landscape changing too much. The SNP will mop up the Scottish Tory seats, that will probably balance out the gains they make in Brexit voting Labour areas, Liberal will probably take 10-20 or so from both.

I think moderate Tories are as much, if not more, “frit” of what is posing as the Tory Party these days......the Tory Party is now indivisible from the Brexit Party and a “no deal” mantra will put the miderates right off.

IMO they will go to the LibDems in sufficient numbers to inflict great harm on the Tories south of Watford.

We will catch them in a pincer movement of southern Liberals and the SNP and Labour from the north.

And with maybe as many as four SDLP and Alliance coming in from Ireland, I think a coalition of progressive parties will make up the majority in the next Parliament.

 

[tim cahill]

erm more like over 200 Labour Mps whipped into it.

Disgusting that the government's opposition would oppose the government.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Disgusting that the government's opposition would oppose the government.

given whats gone on since, perhaps it is, yes.

 

[The binman chronicles]

I think moderate Tories are as much, if not more, “frit” of what is posing as the Tory Party these days......the Tory Party is now indivisible from the Brexit Party and a “no deal” mantra will put the miderates right off.

IMO they will go to the LibDems in sufficient numbers to inflict great harm on the Tories south of Watford.

We will catch them in a pincer movement of southern Liberals and the SNP and Labour from the north.

And with maybe as many as four SDLP and Alliance coming in from Ireland, I think a coalition of progressive parties will make up the majority in the next Parliament.

They really hate Corbyn though. People take from what is around them and a lot of Labour heartlands are buoyed by what they hear back in their constituencies. I on the other hand am in the opposite of that as I'm in a safe Tory seat that has always been Tory even in the mammoth Blair landslides. I believe all these minimally populated constituencies will have if not the outright hatred of JC that is here, will still take a very dim view of him and will know that a Liberal vote may let him in, propped up by the SNP which won't go down well either.

It is going to be too close to call but I agree that the outcome may end in a progressive coalition even though the Tories will have the largest single party in the HoC.