Current Affairs EU In or Out

[The binman chronicles]

I can only tell you that, come the election, the LP will have a clear line on Brexit. My guess is that it'll be to hold a 2nd referendum and nail their colours to the mast of backing Remain - which is their establiushed 1st referendum position. They can argue consistency from doing that. That way would also build a platform for non-aggression pacts in the elections with the Lib Dems and SNP...and also the way to move smoothly into a Coalition Government with those parties post election.

I agree, Labour will not win an outright majority but may be able to govern under a rainbow coalition. This scared the life out of me in 2017 as I don't think any nationalist party should be anywhere near government as it's pretty obvious they have them over a barrel. So for instance you would have a 2nd indy ref for Scotland and another from the Lib Dems regarding proportional representation. But saying that even that coalition would still be more united and pulling in the same direction than the current Tory one.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

A GE in a now more than hung parliment is a necessity Bruce......

And I'll repeat my question, how will an election help things? What if it produces another hung parliament? What if a 'remain coalition' win your election? Both of those things seem a distinct possibility.

 

[Joey66]

And I'll repeat my question, how will an election help things? What if it produces another hung parliament? What if a 'remain coalition' win your election? Both of those things seem a distinct possibility.

The the people have had their vote.....

 

[The binman chronicles]

If it needs sorting why take no deal off the table?
If I dad a Trade union official representing me I would want every piece of armour he could defend me with my employer to get a deal - anyway that's been made law now so why not a GE?

No deal is not walking away and keeping what you have now. It is shooting your own hands and feet off. As negotiating tactic it is laughable

The EU will lose a little but will be in a far better state to cope and with 27 other countries to come up with a plan to nullify the effects. The UK will be on it's own scrambling to deal with it, leading it to make bad deals with the US and others.

 

[davek]

BBC Question Time: Angry audience member stuns panel

A BBC Question Time audience member made an astonishing outburst at the panel and MPs for not delivering Brexit.

www.express.co.uk

Brilliant.

And?

 

[Joey66]

No deal is not walking away and keeping what you have now. It is shooting your own hands and feet off. As negotiating tactic it is laughable

The EU will lose a little but will be in a far better state to cope and with 27 other countries to come up with a plan to nullify the effects. The UK will be on it's own scrambling to deal with it, leading it to make bad deals with the US and others.

Thats a poor argument as they export more to us ..... it maybe would get a free trade deal through .... The EU have handed out 3 X free trade deals this year....... no problems there.....

 

[Joey66]

Brilliant.

And?

Whats Labour's policy on Brexit?..........
watch Thornberry 20 minutes form the end as clear as mud......

 

[Xizor]

A GE in a now more than hung parliment is a necessity Bruce......

Why? The government have got themselves into this mess, why is it beholden on their opponents to help them out of it immediately?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The the people have had their vote.....

I'm beginning to ponder whether the people are safe to be let outside on their own, much less have a vote.

 

[Joey66]

I'm beginning to ponder whether the people are safe to be let outside on their own, much less have a vote.

As anyone ever told you sarcasm is the lowest form of wit Bruce?

 

[Joey66]

Why? The government have got themselves into this mess, why is it beholden on their opponents to help them out of it immediately?

A GE the one they have been begging for?.......they are FRIT........

 

[Bruce Wayne]

As anyone ever told you sarcasm is the lowest form of wit Bruce?

The people have spoken Joe

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[The binman chronicles]

Thats a poor argument as they export more to us ..... it maybe would get a free trade deal through .... The EU have handed out 3 X free trade deals this year....... no problems there.....

We can have a trade deal, May rejected a Canada style one in the hope that they could do better, but without accepting free movement you still end up with a hard border in Ireland.

 

[davek]

Should they do that, Dave, I honestly think they will get slaughtered in a GE. I don't like saying that, as I have always voted Labour, but there will be a lot of Labour voters, I believe, who will feel betrayed by that stance by the LP, and will not bother to vote. I can see the LP handing the next Parliamentary term to the Tories, which is exactly what I don't want to happen, but I feel the LP will royally screw things up by adopting the stance you outline aboe.

Theylll lose some votes (a lot in some constituencies) over Brexit. But never believe the media vox pops. Ive lost count of them allowing the angriest to vent on camera. My guess is that the majority are too cowed to be seen opposing a no deal Brexit but will never vote for it.

Bear in mind also that in a GE campaign, Brexit will be a big issue, but so too will health, education, welfare, housing...all areas Labour voters in Leave areas KNOW they'll see further deterioration in if Johnson gets elected. No one is fallng for him and the likes of Rees-Mogg to open the purse strings on public spending.

I'm convinced the pro-no deal brexit parties will get no more than 40% of the vote combinbed...and that'll be pushing it. The opposition parties will get a huge majority when their constituencies are pooled together.

 

[orchard]

without Corbyn as the leader as the Lib Dems don't want him.......

Then by putting party before country they'll get a soft brexit with Labour's safeguards for standards.