Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Xizor]

Ofcourse it is the highest form of democracy, asking 60m to decide the fate of something trumps asking 650 self serving MP's to do it.

So you'd be pro people's vote instead of this GE? Highest form of democracy, and you've accepted the public have to go to the booths soon regardless. So why settle for the lesser democracy of a GE?

 

[Paris]

So you'd be pro people's vote instead of this GE? Highest form of democracy, and you've accepted the public have to go to the booths soon regardless. So why settle for the lesser democracy of a GE?

Why not have both?

 

[Milkman]

The reason that deal (May's) didn't pass was because the ERG blocked it three times.

If they stop blocking it then there is a decent possibility that it might pass - the Tory rump will probably back it, as will the 21 ex-Tories, as will the 20-30 around Kinnock; that works out as about 330-340 if noone rebels. The added advantage for them is that it is nothing to do with Boris, so he can say it was forced on him but he accepted it as the only way to get Brexit through (and that May failed to do it) and then call a GE on that basis.

How'd you reckon the Brexit Party would fare in that hypothetical election though? Surely not even Johnson is stupid enough to play that hand?

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

This is what happens when you have the DUP propping up the government for over 2 years - utter chaos.

Without them this would all have been sorted out. Brexit would have happened on 31st March all we would all be living reasonably happily ever after.

A very harsh lesson learnt for the UK.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

So you'd be pro people's vote instead of this GE? Highest form of democracy, and you've accepted the public have to go to the booths soon regardless. So why settle for the lesser democracy of a GE?

A referendum and GE are the highest forms of democracy, the people directly decide not 650 MP's, both are used to decide separate issues.

 

[Milkman]

This is what happens when you have the DUP propping up the government for over 2 years - utter chaos.

Without them this would all have been sorted out. Brexit would have happened on 31st March all we would all be living reasonably happily ever after.

A very harsh lesson learnt for the UK.

Oh mate, as if they've learned a thing.

 

[tsubaki]

How'd you reckon the Brexit Party would fare in that hypothetical election though? Surely not even Johnson is stupid enough to play that hand?

Really badly, if Brexit has been achieved before the election. They have no policies now apart from Brexit, so take that away and you just have a man who looks like a Pepperami with a radio show.

 

[The binman chronicles]

This is what happens when you have the DUP propping up the government for over 2 years - utter chaos.

Without them this would all have been sorted out. Brexit would have happened on 31st March all we would all be living reasonably happily ever after.

A very harsh lesson learnt for the UK.

Still would have led to Scotland leaving the UK. There is no easy way out, never was.

 

[Xizor]

A referendum and GE are the highest forms of democracy, the people directly decide not 650 MP's, both are used to decide separate issues.

So essentially whichever one you want to happen is the highest form at that time. Must be nice to have no real principles.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

So essentially whichever one you want to happen is the highest form at that time. Must be nice to have no real principles.

I don't see what you are going on about, anything that is decided by asking the people directly is the essence of democracy.

This GE will be a referendum on leave or remain in he EU, there are very clear choices now for the public to make and they know exact what happens if you vote Tory, you leave the EU.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

298 to 56 voted in favour of a GE, motion not passed because too many MP's abstained.

 

[davek]

298 to 56 voted in favour of a GE, motion not passed because too many MP's abstained.

That's called "a defeat". Four on the bounce for Bojo the Clown.

You're welcome.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

298 to 56 voted in favour of a GE, motion not passed because too many MP's abstained.

Johnson can have the election once no deal is off the table, so hopefully next week. Slowly slowly catchy monkey...

 

[Milkman]

Really badly, if Brexit has been achieved before the election. They have no policies now apart from Brexit, so take that away and you just have a man who looks like a Pepperami with a radio show.

I wouldn't discount the stubbornness of disenfranchised hard Brexiteers though. The Tories pushing through the existing WA would really get some blood boiling in the Shires and, at this point, it seems like anything less that No Deal would be a sell out. I just can't see how this would be anything other than a gift to Labour. Surely they'd flock to the BP in protest alone, in their belief that Parliament is a sham regardless.

I'm basically just hoping for Conservative oblivion. Shoot me down if I'm being unrealistic.

 

[Xizor]

And speaking of principles, all the primary parliamentary actors seem to have been able to stick to theirs and left the arch-weasel Johnson nowhere to hide now. Well played.

The House has commanded him to seek an extension if no deal is agreed, and he's ruled it out. I have no idea what happens if he makes good on his threat to break a law that specifically binds his own person.