Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Kurt.]

@Bruce Wayne I’ve been at work all day, could you give me an up to date crank list please.

 

[PhilM]

Just goes to show you never know someone, ey

But seriously, I'm no gammon mate. I find them as ludicrous as people who take EU flags with them like it's some amazing charity.

I voted out but have more than enough reservations about leaving.

My main issue is I just don't know where we go from here.

We're stuck as far as I can tell. And nobody is offering any option.

If we have another vote, what happens if a) Leave win or b) Remain win? What's the point because where does it stop?

Labour voters in general voted out. Yet Labour as a party want to remain. So what does this do for a GE? Will they just all jump to the Brexit Party, like they did earlier in the year?

With a leader who is pushing for a remain vote, but has a long standing history in The House for opposing many aspects of the EU - if not the EU altogether.

Personally, I always voted to remain and feel that a no-deal Brexit comes with huge concerns and if we could turn the clocks back I really, really wound.

However, when you remove all the political allegations the people of this country voted for us to leave. Put aside the broken promises and mistruths...

...the vote was to stay or remain. Right now all the political shenanigans, from both sides, is in my eyes souring the democratic processes that we've relied on.

Whatever happens, I think that the electorate as a whole will now see the whole political process in far more negative light for a long, long time.

I think there will be many political casualties along the way!

 

[BlueToff]

maybe they are doing it for future generations but maybe they are more prone to sensationalism.

I don't know how you voted but we can safely say the same thing about (the very avid) Remainers

 

[BlueToff]

With a leader who is pushing for a remain vote, but has a long standing history in The House for opposing many aspects of the EU - if not the EU altogether.

Personally, I always voted to remain and feel that a no-deal Brexit comes with huge concerns and if we could turn the clocks back I really, really wound.

However, when you remove all the political allegations the people of this country voted for us to leave. Put aside the broken promises and mistruths...

...the vote was to stay or remain. Right now all the political shenanigans, from both sides, is in my eyes souring the democratic processes that we've relied on.

Whatever happens, I think that the electorate as a whole will now see the whole political process in far more negative light for a long, long time.

This with bells and whistles on.

The public were asked to vote on one question – that one.

They weren't asked to vote for people, or a party. They were asked to vote on that. And the people elected to then act on the majority decision have failed to do so.

 

[graham74]

Weird how they claim to want independence, but still want be a member of the Eu and adopt the Euro. Strange times we are living in.

I live in Edinburgh, want independence and want to be a member of the EU, what's strange about thst

 

[davek]

Exactly how I feel, all afternoon I’ve been reading this book, I must of read it 100 times.

It’s scary how accurate it is. All his predictions have came true.

<looks out of window, doesn't see rivers of blood>

Nope.

 

[Jebus_lives]

No thanks Nigel.

 

[Hawhaw]

I live in Edinburgh, want independence and want to be a member of the EU, what's strange about thst

Strange because it’s not possible.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Okay, so would the vote be - No Deal or Deal? Isn't that exactly what Johnson is now demanding of Labour? That's what he said today - put the bill to the public to decide in a GE?

So are you now backing what Johnson has demanded?

Or do you mean a totally new ref on Out or In? Which doesn't solve any problem, because if Leave win again then Remain will just moan again, and if Remain win then Leave will argue that it's unfair just like Remain have done for three years. So what do you do then, best of three?

This is why I think the entire thing is a nonesense. There's too many permutations to accurately say what the country wanted - other than leave.

I feel sorry for the people that voted leave on the promise of things that cannot be delivered. It was bare faced lying by people that never thought they would win it, so felt no requirement to operate with any degree of responsibility to the country. Then they got what they wanted in terms of Brexit and slowly backed away from the limelight to spend their time shouting at others for not making good on the promises that they had irresponsibility made.

Likewise the remain campaign was championed by Osborne and Cameron telling people to vote for 'stability and the status quo', to people they'd spent years telling they 'needed to take their medicine' in the form of Austerity. If you tell people with nothing to vote for the status quo, why is anyone surprised, they en masse gave a resounding 'no thanks!'


Given that this should rest with the people of the country, I think you go back, eyes open and ask the public what on Earth it is they want.

If we are going to do it, I can see rationale in giving the public the opportunity to decide on what type of Exit we want.

 

[random]

@Bruce Wayne I’ve been at work all day, could you give me an up to date crank list please.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Strange because it’s not possible.

It is.

 

[roydo]

I live in Edinburgh, want independence and want to be a member of the EU, what's strange about thst

Nothing at all. But the point was that it is weird if Sturgeon thinks helping Johnson get a GE, ergo No Deal, will move those aims any nearer. Perhaps she calculates it will.

 

[Hawhaw]

It is.

Nobody is independent inside the EU, that’s the idea. Clearly you don’t know anything about the origins of the project, or where it’s leading.

 

[Jebus_lives]

@Bruce Wayne I’ve been at work all day, could you give me an up to date crank list please.

@Hawhaw has spent all morning reading Enoch Powell and has suggested he intends to watch Nigel Farage at 7:30.

 

[roydo]

Nobody is independent inside the EU, that’s the idea. Clearly you don’t know anything about the origins of the project, or where it’s leading.

Independent of what mate?