Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Zezti]

There you go, call them all racist.

You not see you've just played into the argument?

'All racists are leavers' is not the same as 'All leavers are racist'.
Don't be stupid.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

And the Remain vote was driven by arrogance and an archaic sense of those in charge at the time thinking they knew better.

Nah it wasn’t. It was largely driven as a response to people going racist.

 

[degsy]

There is nothing wrong with wanting to ease the strain on public services and the NHS and being allowed to police your own borders and being in charge of who comes into your country and lives here, the US do it, Australia does it.

Probably not the best recommendation, they let me in for a start.

 

[BlueToff]

That's why I have reservations about a second vote. I'd probably not vote in it.

I just don't know where it stops if you keep having referendums.

One side isn't going to be happy anyway?

And what if we vote to remain. Are the EU just going to say 'sound, we'll forget the last three years then'?

Not likely, is it?

 

[BlueToff]

Nah it wasn’t. It was largely driven as a response to people going racist.

Other people telling others they are racist and not focusing on actually presenting positive aspects of the argument they were representing....

As I said, arrogance.

We saw it a few months later in the US.

And yes, Farage, Trump etc play the immigration card because it's an easy win. Remain should have had a better argument. You sitting on your high horse just shows how arrogant it all was.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

That's why I have reservations about a second vote. I'd probably not vote in it.

I just don't know where it stops if you keep having referendums.

One side isn't going to be happy anyway?

And what if we vote to remain. Are the EU just going to say 'sound, we'll forget the last three years then'?

Not likely, is it?

Best of 3?, 5?

 

[BlueToff]

'All racists are leavers' is not the same as 'All leavers are racist'.
Don't be stupid.

Okay, got you.

But you have to admit that argument has been out there?

Like I've said I just want it done with now, one way or the other.

I don't want no deal. That just isn't viable. But I deep down don't think Johnson was going to take us out with no deal.

 

[BlueToff]

Best of 3?, 5?

Well that's the thing.

I'm sure if Leave lost that's what would be demanded.

 

[Paul Rideout]

Hardly. I've never known a racist who voted remain.

Hang on.

People who vote remain want to have unrestricted migration from a predominantly Caucasian 700m people, putting heavy restrictions on the migration of the remaining 6.3 bln predominantly non-Caucasian people of the world.

People who vote to leave want the 7bln predominantly non-Caucasian people to be treated on their own merits rather than the luck of what continent they were born in.

Which one sounds racist to you?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I believe his partner works for the NHS and is also european. His response to your ignorance was fairly well restrained to be honest.

It's been debunked sooo many times as well. The laziness of people.

 

[Zezti]

Hang on.

People who vote remain want to have unrestricted migration from a predominantly Caucasian 700m people, putting heavy restrictions on the migration of the remaining 6.3 bln predominantly non-Caucasian people of the world.

People who vote to leave want the 7bln predominantly non-Caucasian people to be treated on their own merits rather than the luck of what continent they were born in.

Which one sounds racist to you?

This has to be the most absurd post I've read in this thread, and that takes some doing.

 

[Paul Rideout]

This has to be the most absurd post I've read in this thread, and that takes some doing.

Answer the question instead of belittling.

Which option sounds like the racist option?

 

[Barnfred 55]

If remain had won the referendum does anyone actually think and believe we would still be discussing it over three years later and with the misery & turmoil it has created?
No. Neither do I...

In fairness I wouldn't be so sure. Losing the referendum wouldn't have just put a stop to people wanting to leave the EU, in much the same way the Scottish Independence referendum hasn't stopped the SNP fighting for independence.

No, there wouldn't have been the current upheaval as things would have just carried on after the referendum. Cameron would probably still be in power and would still have a workable majority. But they would be coming up to a general election next year and UKIP (not the right wing thuggish party that they have since become, but the pro Brexit version) would be breathing down the necks of both the Tories and Labour, and Libdems, who have risen to prominence on the back of Remain, would likely be nowhere in sight.

Remember that the EU are about to agree a new budget period, and immense pressure would have been brought against the UK as regards the rebate, mainly from the French. The UK had to give concessions last time in order for the budget to be approved and the same would no doubt happen again. You can bet that the anti EU press would be making the most of this. Plus the European Parliament would be full of UKIP MPs doing their level best to disrupt it's daily proceedings.

 

[I Miss Chang]

Also, we weren't asked 'what leave would you like'.

As @degsy says, maybe that should have been a follow up vote? I don't know.

The country was asked In or Out.

A majority voted Out.

The MPs should have spent the last three years putting their time and energy into formulating a plan to take us out of the EU.

That's what democracy is.

But they did formulate a plan: the May deal, a perfectly plausible (if economically disastrous) arrangement to Leave the European Union.

And then that same majority which voted out proceeded to vote against Leaving.

How are Leave MPs meant to agree what Leave means if Leave voters themselves can't even agree?

That, too, is what democracy is.

Without a coherent plan, Leave is nothing more than an abstraction.

Eventually, reality always prevails.

 

[Hawhaw]

Hang on.

People who vote remain want to have unrestricted migration from a predominantly Caucasian 700m people, putting heavy restrictions on the migration of the remaining 6.3 bln predominantly non-Caucasian people of the world.

People who vote to leave want the 7bln predominantly non-Caucasian people to be treated on their own merits rather than the luck of what continent they were born in.

Which one sounds racist to you?

I made a similar point before, Brexit is anti racist