Current Affairs EU In or Out

[BlueToff]

Sure, but again, Remain MPs would have been irrelevant so long as Leave MPs could agree on what Leave should mean.

Theresa May's deal was, by any standard, a very hard Brexit which would have ended membership of the single market and thus free movement (contrary, for instance, to what you've stated you thought Leave would/should mean).

But it was not still enough to satisfy the extremists within her party.

It is all well and good to say that the voice of the people needs to be respected (and to be sure, while I voted Remain - not through any love for the EU, an often inept and at times disgraceful institution - I agree that it would be an irreparable disaster to arbitrarily revoke Article 50, and I am deeply disappointed if not surprised that Britain's political elite has even now still mostly ignored the places that voted Leave out of despair).

But as we've seen repeatedly, this will not be possible until Leave MPs themselves can agree on how specifically to Leave, which in turn will not be possible until Leave voters can reach a consensus on what they wanted.

I honestly thought May's deal was... okay. I said it at the time. I didn't get the hate for it.

But I don't think you can keep putting the responsibility back on the voters. We've had our say, now. Unless there's another vote.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

And they would be welcomed with open arms because they would be a great asset to this country and under a points system would be well up the list.

Can we have a points system for those that stay here as well then and get rid of them if they are deemed to be of no use?

 

[dublinbluenose]

In fairness, May's deal didn't seem to please anyone on either side of the debate.

There is no deal that can, that's the point so many seem to miss.

 

[Walken]

Meanwhile, in real life...

I'd love one of these to hit London and wake everyone the hell up.

We're utter freaks. Left and right.

you'd love thousands of people to have their lives put in danger?

 

[Zezti]

No, both sides do it. That's the point.

Fed up of people saying one side is better than the other. They aren't. Freaks on either side.

Hardly. I've never known a racist who voted remain.

 

[degsy]

The reason why Britain has not left the EU yet has almost nothing to do with Remainers, and everything to do with the fact that not even the Leavers can agree on what Brexit actually means.

That wasn't the question...why it wasn't is another question - thanks for that Cammo...who thought remain would win at a canter so what sort of leave didn't / wouldn't even come into it.
The question was leave or remain.
What we have now is all sides painting themselves into their various corners, some hoping the EU will blink and give them a get out

 

[BlueToff]

I do find comments like this boring.

He's from Sheffield and lives in Sheffield - a very liberal city as far as I'm aware.

Yet in the EU Ref Sheffield voted out.

They also voted - on the whole, not all - for the Brexit Party I believe.

So is he calling everyone he lives with and bigs up posh prats?

Because this is the issue. People thinking everyone from where they're from thinks the same.

I highly doubt the labour voters in Sheff who voted out are 'posh'. Yet they voted out...

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Can we have a points system for those that stay here as well then and get rid of them if they are deemed to be of no use?

Stop trolling, it's starting to wear thin.

Anybody already here should have the right to stay here.

 

[BlueToff]

Hardly. I've never known a racist who voted remain.

There you go, call them all racist.

You not see you've just played into the argument?

 

[BlueToff]

you'd love thousands of people to have their lives put in danger?

Nope, I apologised for the comment.

I meant I think we need to wake up and realise there's bigger issues.

This has been going on for three years. It needs to end one way or the other now.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

There you go, call them all racist.

You not see you've just played into the argument?

Well the leave vote was driven by an anti immigrant agenda with archaic notions of nationalism. Don’t know why leave voters have a hard time understanding this.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

You might not like to hear it, but Irish English Welsh Scottish are all the same people. Most of Scousers have Irish blood, and Dublin was built by the English.


Ulster is as British as Essex.

Sammy Wilson DUP made a great point, here


We must stop the EU from annexing our country.

Sammy 'kin Tache.
lollollol

Oh and Ulster isn't in Britain, it's in Ireland.

 

[BlueToff]

Also, we weren't asked 'what leave would you like'.

As @degsy says, maybe that should have been a follow up vote? I don't know.

The country was asked In or Out.

A majority voted Out.

The MPs should have spent the last three years putting their time and energy into formulating a plan to take us out of the EU.

That's what democracy is.

 

[BlueToff]

Well the leave vote was driven by an anti immigrant agenda with archaic notions of nationalism. Don’t know why leave voters have a hard time understanding this.

And the Remain vote was driven by arrogance and an archaic sense of those in charge at the time thinking they knew better.

 

[graham74]

Stop trolling, it's starting to wear thin.

Anybody already here should have the right to stay here.

What happens to the likes of me who wouldn't score well on a points system but for whatever reason sees my future in another European country. I'm not trying to be arsey, just curious if its the well educated who should have freedom of movement