Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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From reading this thread :D - the only criticisms I noticed were from leave voters, not really spotted any from remain voters, hence the question

What do you dislike in particular ? any one thing ? several things ?
Whenever I've had the temerity to criticise the EU the backlash in here has been silly. So I tend not to bother. But you are right. The EU is effectively untouchable in here.
 
Whenever I've had the temerity to criticise the EU the backlash in here has been silly. So I tend not to bother. But you are right. The EU is effectively untouchable in here.
Well considering some people have already given direct answers to the question posed it kind of nullifies what you’ve just posted above hasn’t it ?
 
Well considering some people have already given direct answers to the question posed it kind of nullifies what you’ve just posted above hasn’t it ?
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Absolutely no way that nullifies my assessment that the EU is pretty much untouchable in here amongst remain supporters.

Happy to be proved wrong as always Kurt, (and you know I always hold my hands up when that happens) but I'd advise you not to waste your timer looking.
 
Absolutely no way that nullifies my assessment that the EU is pretty much untouchable in here amongst remain supporters.

I rarely see the EU being praised for anything mate, more being defended when leavers casually lob incorrect accusations at what latest ill they have inflicted on the UK. Or blame them for stuff the UK has the power to do but prefers not to.

Dealing in facts if you like.
 
You could be right mate. Who knows really?

What is clear is that the majority of remain supporters on here automatically assume that the worst will happen as regards the UK in the case of a no deal Brexit. But not so for any of the EU countries.

Hopefully we don't get to find out for real.

But that is because the 27 other countries are losing free trade with just one country whereas we are losing 27 partners. It's like half of what we sell goes to EU countries.

I don't know the full details (although I have just had a quick google at what Germany exports to us and it is 6.6% totalling 2.6% GDP which kind of backs up what I am about to say), but I'd imagine we are talking small percentage of each country is directly involved with us. So if the worst came to worst they'd be a couple of points down, but trade will not just stop between us completely as people will still want and just stomach the increases. So in Germany's case it might go down to say 3.3% and 1.3% of GDP meaning they are only down by a percent or so. If the banks decide to head out en masse to Frankfurt as they have indicated then that minus probably becomes a plus.

If we use the same sort of calculations for ease, immediately we are 25% down (4% GDP) + the decimated financial sector + the car plants that say they will leave + the fact that we services based economy means a lot can move elsewhere very easily. So the economy could have shrunk by 10% GDP in a relatively short period of time. Then you factor in the shock, investors and companies will look to see how things lie but because we have lost 25% of the market, it will lead to job losses and companies folding which puts more pressure on the state. This leads to people tightening their belts, which leads to more job losses and so on.

And if that wasn't enough we have a country attached to us that will want out of our political and economic union if we leave the the EU with a no deal. This further adds to the uncertainty which will effect the markets.

Hopefully that gives a taste why I think other countries although will take a hit, it is nothing like the one we will take. It is also why I think the EU wouldn't be interested in a giveaway deal to keep us in as they will be able to absorb the shock better and indeed look to benefit from it by taking some of our companies/industries that still want to be inside of the EU.

I will agree on your last part, hopefully we never have to find out.
 
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So if hypothetically we were to leave the EU and there were to be less EU migrants, and as a result of that more non-EU migrants arrived to replace them, would you be ok with that provided they’d gone through a more rigorous process? And do you think the majority of leave voters would be?
Interested in getting other leavers opinions of this too
 
One person. And I've checked all ignored content just to make sure.

Absolutely no way that nullifies my assessment that the EU is pretty much untouchable in here amongst remain supporters.

Happy to be proved wrong as always Kurt, (and you know I always hold my hands up when that happens) but I'd advise you not to waste your timer looking.
Could just be the fact that the majority of peoples lives arent altered by the EU,sure there could be a moan about the cost but that applies to any large organisation, I have yet to have anybody tell me exactly what EU ruling have affected them in any personal way
 
One person. And I've checked all ignored content just to make sure.

Absolutely no way that nullifies my assessment that the EU is pretty much untouchable in here amongst remain supporters.

Happy to be proved wrong as always Kurt, (and you know I always hold my hands up when that happens) but I'd advise you not to waste your timer looking.
EU has been very bad at Public Relations, it's allowed domestic politicians take credit for its work, and allowed itself to be blamed for domestic politicians policies.

Freedom of movement is a capitalist construct and has been misused, in the main poorly managed domestically. However, the numbers of people coming into the UK are not going to change much, deal or no deal, we have an ageing population...
The EU started a push towards federalism, especially after the last financial crash - with the ECHR over ruling what we could do in our country. However, this isn’t something that’s just happened to us - plenty of other countries have levelled the same criticism.

We, rather than attempt to work with others to fix small issues now seem content to wreck a good thing.

It’s like destroying your house because you don’t like the bathroom fittings.
I don't like that the highest court is outside of the country although I can see circumstances that could be helpful.

I don't like the little jobsworth policies, such as traders not allowed to only show imperial measurements. But seeing the metric system is taught in schools nowadays (& even when I was at school) you could say most of the population is more comfortable with these anyhow. But there shouldn't be a need to get involved like that.

I don't really like the idea that 28 countries have to bargain and trade to get policies through the EU parliament, this can mean that country A has to allow something that ideally they would have blocked, but to gain support for another policy they actually want, they back country B who did want it so they can do the same in return.
Put your hands up bish x
 
I'm not looking at the opposition as scapegoats. The scapegoat is David Cameron who caused all this trouble in the first place.

I'm saying that instead of leaving with a deal for better or worse, we're facing no deal and the opposition had the chance to avoid that.

Sometimes you have to make the best of a bad job and Labour, Lib Dems et al failed to do that. I'm a strong remainer, friend.

My apologies!

It's fair to say that a lot of the problems today are caused by parties being less willing to compromise. I wonder why that is, their respective bases being more polarised through talking mainly in echo chambers online?
 
I rarely see the EU being praised for anything mate, more being defended when leavers casually lob incorrect accusations at what latest ill they have inflicted on the UK. Or blame them for stuff the UK has the power to do but prefers not to.

Dealing in facts if you like.

Very true. Also, who would you rather have leading your country - respected political figures like Angela Merkel and Mark Rutte, or a serial liar like Boris Johnson and his unelected friend, Dominic Cummings?
 
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