Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Jebus_lives]

The document contains pretty well all of the things that prompted me to vote leave.

Convergence of our economies, effective taxation, deepening the economic and monetary union, completing the banking and capitals markets union, the EU needs to be more assertive and more powerful, greater collective responsibility for its own security and defence, The EU can only engage with other global powers on an equal footing if it avoids a piecemeal approach and presents a united front, backed up by EU and member states resources,

It’s just the next step on the road to USE.......

I wasn't expecting you to like it. My point was that you can at least understand what it will look like.

 

[The binman chronicles]

The European Court of Human Rights has overridden British judges way more than the ECJ and although they are separate entities I believe the ECHR has precedence, which one do you mean ?

I was thinking of the ECJ. I may be wrong but I think there is still an avenue open to go to the human rights court whether we are in the EU or not.

 

[peteblue]

For some of our Remainers you might find this model helpful, just workout where you currently are and then come to terms with the route you still may follow.....

 

[random]

I was thinking of the ECJ. I may be wrong but I think there is still an avenue open to go to the human rights court whether we are in the EU or not.

AKAIK Belarus is the only country not signed up for the ECHR and we can remain a member of the ECHR even if we leave the EU with no deal and rip up every treaty we have with them.

I suspect a majority of voters on both sides would struggle to make a distinction between the two courts, I certainly did.

 

[Jebus_lives]

The European Court of Human Rights has overridden British judges way more than the ECJ and although they are separate entities I believe the ECHR has precedence, which one do you mean ?

Given that the ECHR is a different legal system to the EU, It's part of the Council of Europe, I suspect he means the ECJ.

 

[dead_soft]

For some of our Remainers you might find this model helpful, just workout where you currently are and then come to terms with the route you still may follow.....

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Highlights exactly how you see things, and it doesn’t make you look great.

 

[dead_soft]

I just like to make my own decisions.....

How many people are the maximum number before you feel your decisions aren’t your own? If Britain gets to 90 million will that be still okay?

 

[The binman chronicles]

For some of our Remainers you might find this model helpful, just workout where you currently are and then come to terms with the route you still may follow.....

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If you turn it upside down and switch the satisfaction and energy poles (-/+) it will show the leavers path.

 

[Kurt.]

Anyway, can’t wait to see which crank rolls up here today lol

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The European Court of Human Rights has overridden British judges way more than the ECJ and although they are separate entities I believe the ECHR has precedence, which one do you mean ?

The ECHR is part of the European Convention on Human Rights, which all members of the Council of Europe are signed up to (47 in total, and Britain will remain so even after Brexit). That means that cases can still be taken to the ECHR after Brexit, and the Human Rights Act mandates that the rulings of the ECHR must still be taken into account when British courts make judgements.

 

[Xizor]

Now we've no deal and there's a good chance the UK will break up. Thanks Labs and Libs. Thanks a lot..

Like every crackpot political project ever embarked upon, the failures of Brexit will never, ever be accepted as inherent, or its supporters and instigators to blame. They always have to find a scapegoat, some external saboteur that acted (or failed to act) to ruin what was destined to be glorious.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Anyway, can’t wait to see which crank rolls up here today lol

Its the approaches to discussion that I like. So far I've noticed 3 categories:

• The Bull in the China Shop: come steaming on declaring everything is nonsense and full of bombast. Who then quietly leave when anyone asks them to describe something in detail or they embarrass themselves.
• The compelled observer: usually take the stance of 'i felt compelled to post' or 'have read this thread but not felt the need to post until now'. Usually tries to position themselves as a considered neutral and decries the insults and venom of remainers all the while issuing passive agressive condescending posts and liking/laughing at abuse from leave voters. Usually well informed but provide little detail of their own decisions.
• The raving loon: similar to the Bull in China Shop but normally completely unhinged. Everything from the UKIP handbook of discussion. Normally banned.

 

[Billy Dean]

I think we are free either way, the problem being that non EU people have to jump through a myriad of hoops ( my daughter is in the process of trying to get her American fiancé a suitable visa) while anyone from the EU can just move in. This of course makes companies favour EU nationals because it’s less hassle.....once we are out the it becomes a level playing field....

And thanks, as I did have a good time down at the pub......

So if hypothetically we were to leave the EU and there were to be less EU migrants, and as a result of that more non-EU migrants arrived to replace them, would you be ok with that provided they’d gone through a more rigorous process? And do you think the majority of leave voters would be?

 

[tsubaki]

Very interesting twitter thread this:

 

[zzr45]

The document contains pretty well all of the things that prompted me to vote leave.

Convergence of our economies, effective taxation, deepening the economic and monetary union, completing the banking and capitals markets union, the EU needs to be more assertive and more powerful, greater collective responsibility for its own security and defence, The EU can only engage with other global powers on an equal footing if it avoids a piecemeal approach and presents a united front, backed up by EU and member states resources,

It’s just the next step on the road to USE.......

Perhaps I read another document to you, but there was none of that in there. Another flight of fancy from you.