Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

Sorry but it is, it's mainly circumstantial, however, I have experience of a fair few companies purposely seeking out people whose English is very basic, for no other reason of exploiting them in work. Not that excludes British people either...

Also upto several years ago you could not get 2 calls into any phone on immigration, before some company owner would boast about using a recruiting company anywhere but the UK, because British people are fickle because British people are lazy, British people know there rights...

Freedom of movement has been abused. It used to drive me because I knew where this was leading...

I don't doubt that there are organisations that abuse it, but we shouldn't blame the victims of that abuse but the culprits.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Is there anything at all about the EU any of you guys don't like ? Your posts come across like its a perfect entity.

Any criticisms at all ?

The EU is a big bureaucracy so instinctively that's not good. But that's the nature of all such organisations and I prefer it to Westminster any day. Also I dont think it's any more corrupt than anything similar.

I see the huge positives for the Irish peace process. I personally benefit from cross border trade arrangements and I want my kids to benefit from studying and working around Europe.

Lastly I hate the right wing Tory bias of southern England so have a faith in the EU always offering a sensible counter balance.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I don't doubt that there are organisations that abuse it, but we shouldn't blame the victims of that abuse but the culprits.

Well yes indeed, where are the checks and balances going ... Slowly dismantled and weakned in the pursuit of the free market.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Is there anything at all about the EU any of you guys don't like ? Your posts come across like its a perfect entity.

Any criticisms at all ?

Yes plenty.

 

[peteblue]

Well probably yes mate ... as it’s already happening and we will be heavily included in anything moving forward ...

Obvs nobody can predict 5 years ahead but I’d sooner be part of the decision makers than on the periphery and having to react to changes without a say.

But the decision makers will just be us, the U.K., no votes from France, Slovakia, Spain, Croatia, Latvia, Estonia, Italy, Cyprus, Ireland, Germany, Romania, Malta or even Luxembourg, Belgium and Holland. Just us, doing what we want on our own.....

 

[Jebus_lives]

But the decision makers will just be us, the U.K., no votes from France, Slovakia, Spain, Croatia, Latvia, Estonia, Italy, Cyprus, Ireland, Germany, Romania, Malta or even Luxembourg, Belgium and Holland. Just us, doing what we want on our own.....

Why is this such an aspiration?

 

[The binman chronicles]

Is there anything at all about the EU any of you guys don't like ? Your posts come across like its a perfect entity.

Any criticisms at all ?

I don't think anyone has ever said the EU is perfect, so not sure where you got that idea from.

It is a series of tradeoffs that for the most part enhance us. Sitting outside an organisation that some say they mistrust thus letting them do whatever, instead of being inside helping mould the organisation seems self defeating.

 

[random]

I don't think anyone has ever said the EU is perfect, so not sure where you got that idea from.

From reading this thread - the only criticisms I noticed were from leave voters, not really spotted any from remain voters, hence the question

What do you dislike in particular ? any one thing ? several things ?

 

[Charlie Sweet]

But the decision makers will just be us, the U.K., no votes from France, Slovakia, Spain, Croatia, Latvia, Estonia, Italy, Cyprus, Ireland, Germany, Romania, Malta or even Luxembourg, Belgium and Holland. Just us, doing what we want on our own.....

And what dastardly decisions have been taken that negatively impact you pete?

 

[random]

@Mark O'Silver et al


Another wonderful quote from Fintan O’Toole’s masterful polemic on Brexit.

@roydo ok I have read the book, interesting in some parts but a bit overlong in other places with a fair amount of repetition. Worth a read on Kindle unlimited for free, not sure its worth the paying retail price though.

He is trying to tap into the psyche of why leave voters voted the way they did and I would think in quite a lot of cases he is probably correct (not sure how big a role the 90's beef disease crisis played and I think he overlooked Farage's influence in things a bit too much, but whatever).

The one sentence that I did like was on page 117 "Being angry at the European Union isn't a psychosis - it's a mark of sanity"

 

[The binman chronicles]

From reading this thread - the only criticisms I noticed were from leave voters, not really spotted any from remain voters, hence the question

What do you dislike in particular ? any one thing ? several things ?

I don't like that the highest court is outside of the country although I can see circumstances that could be helpful.

I don't like the little jobsworth policies, such as traders not allowed to only show imperial measurements. But seeing the metric system is taught in schools nowadays (& even when I was at school) you could say most of the population is more comfortable with these anyhow. But there shouldn't be a need to get involved like that.

I don't really like the idea that 28 countries have to bargain and trade to get policies through the EU parliament, this can mean that country A has to allow something that ideally they would have blocked, but to gain support for another policy they actually want, they back country B who did want it so they can do the same in return.

 

[peteblue]

Here are the draft strategic objectives for the next 5 years. They're issued at the beginning of a new Commission term.

https://www.euractiv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/06/Draft-EU-Strategic-Agenda.pdf

You really should do some reading.

The document contains pretty well all of the things that prompted me to vote leave.

Convergence of our economies, effective taxation, deepening the economic and monetary union, completing the banking and capitals markets union, the EU needs to be more assertive and more powerful, greater collective responsibility for its own security and defence, The EU can only engage with other global powers on an equal footing if it avoids a piecemeal approach and presents a united front, backed up by EU and member states resources,

It’s just the next step on the road to USE.......

 

[peteblue]

And what dastardly decisions have been taken that negatively impact you pete?

I just like to make my own decisions.....

 

[random]

I don't like that the highest court is outside of the country although I can see circumstances that could be helpful.

The European Court of Human Rights has overridden British judges way more than the ECJ and although they are separate entities I believe the ECHR has precedence, which one do you mean ?

 

[gonetomorrow]

God I wish Theresa was back in no 10. They should have backed her deal. It could always have been tweaked in the years to come.

Now we've no deal and there's a good chance the UK will break up. Thanks Labs and Libs. Thanks a lot..