Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Methuselah]

What I love about your post is how it proves my point completely. Rather than addressing anything, you just went on a high horse again of what your experiences are, with a barbed question at the end, as if you're telling me I have no right to an opinion. All because you don't like a picture! I knew voting Leave correlated with advanced age and lower educational attainment, I never realised it correlated with thinner skin too.

Total respect for your service by the way. It was long abandoned by the time I was of age.

All the 'highly educated' who voted remain - Know the price of everything and the value of nothing'.

 

[Methuselah]

The so called centrist call it bringing people together, it's a fallacy.


Watch it goes full on working Goodwin law definition.

Sorry, but I don't understand either point.

 

[roydo]

All the 'highly educated' who voted remain - Know the price of everything and the value of nothing'.

Thanks mate. Thats nice to know.

 

[peteblue]

What about private rental costs Pete ?

Similar to housing prices, they are extortionate.....

 

[Methuselah]

Who would you like us to have a war with so those of a younger age can do something of great value to the country?

What a stupid , inane comment. I know far better than most on here why we shouldn't have another war.

 

[roydo]

What a stupid , inane comment.

I know far better than most on here why we shouldn't have another war

 

[Methuselah]

Thanks mate. Thats nice to know.

roydo, just have a read back through this thread and see the insults hurled at Leave voters, particularly Joey. Can't take it the other way, RS supporters again.

 

[Kurt.]

roydo, just have a read back through this thread and see the insults hurled at Leave voters, particularly Joey. Can't take it the other way, RS supporters again.

Sup your cocoa and take your nap now please

 

[roydo]

roydo, just have a read back through this thread and see the insults hurled at Leave voters, particularly Joey. Can't take it the other way, RS supporters again.

Well you are the one calling me a Kopite mate.

I just make sweeping statements based on my understanding of the issues, have been consistent in my analysis of them, and to my recollection have never called anyone out in a personal way. Might have been a bit frustrated at times, granted. Got a bit gobby with @peteblue the other day, but like adults we shook hands via PM.

I think the premis for leaving the EU, as in, the narrative and fantasy island crap that Farage and Rees Mogg pedalled was eye wash. Said it at the time. And I genuinely find it bewildering that even after seeing many arguments demolished by facts, educated people still cling to them.

I am no EU fanatic, they are the most irritating of bodies. But I never knew what voting leave meant, how it would work, or what the actual benefits would be. And 3 years later, I am still waiting.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I think you will find that I have always argued that houses are overpriced......

I was acknowledging that you do. The rest of my point still stands.

 

[Jebus_lives]

roydo, just have a read back through this thread and see the insults hurled at Leave voters, particularly Joey. Can't take it the other way, RS supporters again.

Leavers and RS always the victim.

 

[Ruairi77]

There is no 'agreement or contract' until it has been ratified by Parliament. And Parliament has rejected the 'agreement' on 3 separate occasions.

My understanding is therefore that no divorce bill or any other form of settlement or agreement has been legally concluded. May thought she had a 'deal' with EU but she made it very clear that it had to be ratified by Parliament first. It wasn't and is very unlikely ever now to be ratified.

We are therefore in a position with a new PM, only 2 months before exit day with no agreement in place and no negotiations taking place.

My own view is that once EU realise that the remain element in Parliament can't stop a no deal exit that they will then agree to negotiate and probably offer a solution that they have, thus far, been holding in reserve.

My concern is purely over time available. We cannot delay the exit date again for many reasons and I think both sides want a deal but the EU is still hoping that it might not have to change anything. That is a dangerous game to play. BJ has said he is prepared to negotiate but the backstop must go first.

Let's see who, if anyone, blinks first!

So the UK are playing chicken with the far bigger and stronger EU and the plan is to hope that the EU blink first because they have a different solution up their sleeve?
Lets boil this down.
If the EU gives the UK a deal that's satisfactory to the UK parliament, it could spell the end of the EU
If the EU doesnt give the UK a deal that satisfactory to the UK parliament, it could spell the end of the UK.
They found a middle ground to avoid both scenarios but the whole of parliament was held hostage by the DUP.

It kinda blows my mind that the deal May negotiated got so easily smeared by the far right and DUP and all Brexiteers went along with that narrative.

 

[SteveSC]

Have a read. You probably have already done so, but worth reading again anyway.....

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2017/596828/IPOL_STU(2017)596828_EN.pdf

As I have said before I agree with you that there is the technologies and solutions out there.

The key findings and takeaways though in this report. Which I have read before. I actually worked with one of the people in this report on rfid solutions and implementation.

Anyway if you read the part on the smart border you will see the amount of items needed to complete the project.

These items require as it states first collaboration, which would mean integrated systems across the border. Currently the Gardai and PSNI have been working on ANPR joint system which will then tie into the UK also. It's up in test I believe but it's been a couple years since my involvement.

Anyway the rest of the items mentioned would take about a year maybe two. Only after this document is vetted by whomever your government decides will be a) the driving factor project wise and b) the winning bidder contractor wise.

This is going to be a legnthy process. One that should have been started two years ago

Now if you plan to leave by October that is no where close to getting a system this heavy running. If they do they will most certainly have rushed it and will have big issues.

I can tell you without going into too much detail that I know for a fact the UK has done nowt on finding someone as in no tenders have gone out and the leading experts in this field have only spoken with the EU. How do I know? Well I know some of them personally.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

BJ has said he is prepared to negotiate but the backstop must go first.

Let's see who, if anyone, blinks first!

NI is one significant part of brexit but it does not, cannot and will not dictate how brexit plays out.

This hasn’t aged well mate but your post earlier just shows you still haven’t grasped that the backstop was always going to be at the very crux of any Brexit outcome.

Expecting the EU to change tact now to facilitate the Tory/DUP alliance is whimsical.

 

[scratchnsurf]

What a stupid , inane comment. I know far better than most on here why we shouldn't have another war.

It's a comment made in reference to your asking of what someone else did in comparison to your service. Why did you ask that? What was that poster supposed to say that would have been an acceptable comparison in your eyes?

I get that you disapprove of his use of the Dad's army image - fair enough but WWII has been repeatedly referenced during the Brexit debate and certainly by those who wish to leave. Some might say that a picture of a group of old white men who bumble around cluelessly a lot of the time is a perfectly appropriate image to represent Brexiteers.

Nobody disputes we owe a huge debt to all who have served our country in times of war, especially when our country was directly and immenently threatened.