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[COYBL25]

If you're lost the rest of us have no hope

He’s off his meds again, may have to call the authorities, as it didn’t end well last time.

 

[Cool_Blue]

What?

How do you get that from what I said? Read it again ffs!



Exactly the bold. Xenophobia and racism has certainly increased - as below:

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However, overall we're still a very attractive country to live and work in. The fact we attract immigration should be something we're proud of - not something we're desperately keen to stop.

I get that from the way you said it in such a sneering way ....’as opposed to Brexiteers saying Britain will be fantastic, we'll thrive and so on?’

And all that graph shows is a peak when most of those crimes were committed by followers of the cult that cannot be criticised.

 

[Brisan123]

Meanwhile in the ROI the Guinness will be flowing as businesses hold their closing down sale.....

First part yes ,second part no.
We can still trade with Europe and the U.S tech giants will be hiring staff as the reduce their British bases.
I work in a former British multinational now American owned and some production is being moved from britain to dublin in Nov-Feb

 

[Cool_Blue]

I see that house prices will tumble if we have no deal. You would think quite a few on here would be in favour of that......

No, that was going to happen 3 years ago apparently. More PF nonsense.

 

[Blue Piper]

First part yes ,second part no.
We can still trade with Europe and the U.S tech giants will be hiring staff as the reduce their British bases.
I work in a former British multinational now American owned and some production is being moved from britain to dublin in Nov-Feb

Gissa Job

 

[Tubey]

I get that from the way you said it in such a sneering way ....’as opposed to Brexiteers saying Britain will be fantastic, we'll thrive and so on?’

And all that graph shows is a peak when most of those crimes were committed by followers of the cult that cannot be criticised.

Yeah because they say it based on no evidence whatsoever. It's pie in the sky stuff.

If they said "Britain will thrive after Brexit because <insert actual reasons here>" then there's no issue. Because they don't, they deserved to be sneered at.

 

[roydo]

what on earth will all the remoaners say if the country was to flourish and have growth totally out of sync all their forecasts ….

jeez, will be fun in here wouldn't it...

be like a wake

I think the nuance of the arguments against leaving, or more to the point, the fiction still being lapped up by brexiteers is lost on you mate. No one has a clue how it will all pan out economically wise, and anyone who has a grasp of the modelling used to create any forecasts, for any type of outcome, knows you can make them say what you want them to.

Which is why anyone trumpeting any forecast to support or denigrate a position is really talking bubbles.

 

[Tubey]

I think the nuance of the arguments against leaving, or more to the point, the fiction still being lapped up by brexiteers is lost on you mate. No one has a clue how it will all pan out economically wise, and anyone who has a grasp of the modelling used to create any forecasts, for any type of outcome, knows you can make them say what you want them to.

Which is why anyone trumpeting any forecast to support or denigrate a position is really talking bubbles.

Not quite. Pretty much every analysis/estimate for how things will go following Brexit are negative. The only deviation is in how negative.

That's why I find people saying we'll 'thrive' with absolutely zero evidence are chancers like the politicians or out of their minds like that Wetherspoons boss.

 

[peteblue]

First part yes ,second part no.
We can still trade with Europe and the U.S tech giants will be hiring staff as the reduce their British bases.
I work in a former British multinational now American owned and some production is being moved from britain to dublin in Nov-Feb

Excellent, I’m pleased......

 

[Brisan123]

Or maybe these workers

Britain told to accept more immigrants if it wants a free trade deal

India's High Commissioner says they may to make sure any deal is 'mutually beneficial'

www.independent.co.uk

 

[roydo]

Not quite. Pretty much every analysis/estimate for how things will go following Brexit are negative. The only deviation is in how negative.

That's why I find people saying we'll 'thrive' with absolutely zero evidence are chancers like the politicians or out of their minds like that Wetherspoons boss.

Indeed. But the point I was making is that no one actually knows, and the modelling inputs we do not know. So to rely on a forecast to prove or disprove a point, is frankly, pointless.

To say that Brexit is likely to introduce a period of economic uncertainty is fine and dandy though. Cos it will. What the forecasts do is try to say how much. The answer they get will depend on what data they input. I know. We used a smaller version of their kit but with fewer variables a few years ago.

 

[roydo]

Not quite. Pretty much every analysis/estimate for how things will go following Brexit are negative. The only deviation is in how negative.

That's why I find people saying we'll 'thrive' with absolutely zero evidence are chancers like the politicians or out of their minds like that Wetherspoons boss.

Indeed. But the point I was making is that no one actually knows, and the modelling inputs we do not know. So to rely on a forecast to prove or disprove a point, is frankly, pointless.

To say that Brexit is likely to introduce a period of economic uncertainty is fine and dandy though. Cos it will. What the forecasts do is try to say how much. The answer they get will depend on what data they input. I know. We used a smaller version of their kit but with fewer variables a few years ago.

 

[Tubey]

Indeed. But the point I was making is that no one actually knows, and the modelling inputs we do not know. So to rely on a forecast to prove or disprove a point, is frankly, pointless.

To say that Brexit is likely to introduce a period of economic uncertainty is fine and dandy though. Cos it will. What the forecasts do is try to say how much. The answer they get will depend on what data they input. I know. We used a smaller version of their kit but with fewer variables a few years ago.

Not 'rely', but they're 'educated guesses' rather than 'random guesses'.

It's like if Man City are playing, I dunno, Newport County. You don't know the outcome, but if you have to bet your house on one outcome then you don't say Newport County based on solely 'a good feeling about it'.

 

[roydo]

Not 'rely', but they're 'educated guesses' rather than 'random guesses'.

It's like if Man City are playing, I dunno, Newport County. You don't know the outcome, but if you have to bet your house on one outcome then you don't say Newport County based on solely 'a good feeling about it'.

Well thats where the inputs come in. You are correct, with no input, City would beat Newport. But if just one of a hundred potential inputs gave Newport a 10 goal lead with 3 minutes to go, the outcome would change would it not?

That is how, in an extremely crude way, these forecasts are made.

 

[peteblue]

My background is technology Pete (and specifically getting new technologies to scale), and you've refused to elaborate on the technological solution whenever I've asked you, so I wouldn't use our failure to understand it as a reason if I were you.

You have no idea which hats I've worn in my career, and in fact I left school to go into Engineering (and my degree was a technological subject) so I would say my background is exactly what you're saying I wouldn't understand. I'll reserve the right to treat any nonsense with the derision it deserves.

But saying "there is technology" isn't the same as "this is the technological solution that will render the backstop void, and it works". I thought anyone could have spotted that, but it seems there are a few in this thread that need even the most basic concepts spelled out to them.

Have a read. You probably have already done so, but worth reading again anyway.....

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2017/596828/IPOL_STU(2017)596828_EN.pdf