Current Affairs EU In or Out

[NilSatisOptimum]

Remain or leave our political system simply can't be allowed to just carry on as it is. Its broken right now, seemingly beyond repair. I have no faith in anyone, in any party in this country. I don't know the answer but I know that the longer it carries on the worse things will get. The longer this disconnect between politicians and your everyman/woman continues the more likely it gets that we'll eventually see violence on the streets in huge numbers of people which will only make the situation even worse.

Like European elections in the UK, the referendum was a protest vote on what was going on in UK, not the EU. It's been my view from the onset of this result, apart from emotional feeling of the EU is bad, there is no real justification apart from emotion. However, it is failure of EU and more importantly UK governments to let this false emotional negativity of European Union to fester and grow...

Those who are ardent leave EU want everything in the UK to stay as it, there no real movement to reform anything else. Those who are ardent remain EU want everything to stay as they are also.

They happily stand opposite on the political battlefield feeding off each other like decrepit generals of world war 1... Neither have no care of the consequences of their actions.

 

[Walken]

Not really. It's unfortunate (though sadly not unexpected) that Methuselah reacted the way he did, I posted that image precisely because I knew it very well as the opening scene from the 1971 TV movie and it popped into my head the moment I read the post I quoted.

Anyway, it seems a lot of snippy exhanges in the last few pages could have been avoided if I'd have just gone instead with Tango's "Come on then Sebastian" advert from the mid-90s, in which a chubby middle-aged white bloke offers out metropolitan France:

Draw your own damn analogies.

Disrespectful to soda manufacturers who struggled through the depression of the 1920s, you should be ashamed

 

[Khalekan]

Remain or leave our political system simply can't be allowed to just carry on as it is. Its broken right now, seemingly beyond repair. I have no faith in anyone, in any party in this country. I don't know the answer but I know that the longer it carries on the worse things will get. The longer this disconnect between politicians and your everyman/woman continues the more likely it gets that we'll eventually see violence on the streets in huge numbers of people which will only make the situation even worse.

We have already seen violence on the streets.

A Remain supporting MP was murdered during the Referendum itself.

Anti Brexit journalist Owen Jones was given a good kicking in London just last Saturday.

 

[Methuselah]

Sup your cocoa and take your nap now please

And when you are (I assume) working your balls off, just remember that I am doing just that.

 

[Methuselah]

Leavers and RS always the victim.

Somehow it doesn't quite work when you plagiarise someone else's insults. Try and be original.

 

[larrygobfiend]

Somehow it doesn't quite work when you plagiarise someone else's insults. Try and be original.

What are you on about?

 

[Barnfred 55]

So the UK are playing chicken with the far bigger and stronger EU and the plan is to hope that the EU blink first because they have a different solution up their sleeve?
Lets boil this down.
If the EU gives the UK a deal that's satisfactory to the UK parliament, it could spell the end of the EU
If the EU doesnt give the UK a deal that satisfactory to the UK parliament, it could spell the end of the UK.
They found a middle ground to avoid both scenarios but the whole of parliament was held hostage by the DUP.

It kinda blows my mind that the deal May negotiated got so easily smeared by the far right and DUP and all Brexiteers went along with that narrative.

From the moment it was determined that the divorce settlement had to be agreed and signed before the future relationship could be negotiated, it made it almost impossible to achieve a deal that would be acceptable to the majority of Brexiteers. The simple reason for this is that you are then relying on trust, and trust of the EU is something in small supply amongst Brexiteers.

I actually supported the May deal and think I'm correct in saying I was possibly the only person on this forum who did, certainly amongst the leave side anyway. Not because I thought it was a good deal, but because I recognised that for a deal to work it had to involve compromise from both sides. I realise now that the country is so divided that there is zero chance of this happening now or in the near future. So it is inevitable that we will either leave with no deal, or kick it further down the road until one side or another can manage a big enough majority in Parliament. We will then either revoke article 50 or leave with no deal.

I disagree with you about the "whole" of parliament being held to ransom by the DUP. The government maybe, but not the whole of Parliament. Apart from the DUP and elements of the ERG, May's deal was also voted down by the SNP, LibDems, Green Party, PC and 90% of Labour MPs. In fact a large contingent of them also voted down every one of the indicative options too. Nothing to do with the DUP and everything to do with wanting to remain.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Now if you plan to leave by October that is no where close to getting a system this heavy running. If they do they will most certainly have rushed it and will have big issues.

Am I missing something here?

I didn't think this system had to be in place in time for us leaving the EU. I thought it had to be ready in time to replace the NI backstop which isn't due to come in force until the end of 2022. During the interim we'd be in the transition period that included membership of the customs union and single market.

 

[Barnfred 55]

May's deal would have probably led to a second Scottish independence referendum. There is no easy out here.

It may or may not have done. The previous option of a NI only backstop would definitely have led to a Scottish Independence referendum though, as they would have wanted parity with NI.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Anti Brexit journalist Owen Jones was given a good kicking in London just last Saturday

I thought that was a homophobic attack Khal.

 

[Barnfred 55]

And when you are (I assume) working your balls off, just remember that I am doing just that.

Bit early in the day for cocoa isn't it.? Even for an old codger like you

 

[Khalekan]

I thought that was a homophobic attack Khal.

I didn’t know he was gay, Barney.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I didn’t know he was gay, Barney.

I never thought so either. But I saw it on the Jeremy Vine show the day after it happened (he's often a panellist on there) and they were talking about it having a homophobic angle.

 

[Kurt.]

And when you are (I assume) working your balls off, just remember that I am doing just that.

At the moment I’m getting paid to drive around a go kart track for fun... councils wasting taxpayers cash I guess you’d call it

 

[peteblue]

And a hell of a lot practical engineering skills to carry it out. Is that professional engineering knowledge available?

Of course it is. Anyway it now looks as though the EU may well fall back onto the sensible and pragmatic proposals of utilising checks at point of originations, spot checks away from the border, sensible processes etc etc as previously discussed in here, now that they fully believe that it either changes or No Deal happens.....