Current Affairs EU In or Out

[summerisle]

North Korea ? I thought we couldn't sign unilateral trade deals whist still being in the EU ?

 

[peteblue]

That's empty rhetoric Pete. The Department For Exiting The EU have a huge budget, yet it's taken the European Commission to produce the report you linked to (a while ago at that). No calls for tender have been put out with vendors. No trials have been undertaken. No research of their own has been done. Absolutely nothing. Yet you complain about a backstop that Britain wanted and you demand the EU solve for us. It's got about as much substance as the politicians you back. It's like me telling you you could have built one of your military helicopters from scratch in a month if you had sufficient will. I dare say you'd tell me to 'eff off.

Indeed I would Bruce, because I have a good understanding of how long Engineering programmes take to be produced....

 

[peteblue]

That's empty rhetoric Pete. The Department For Exiting The EU have a huge budget, yet it's taken the European Commission to produce the report you linked to (a while ago at that). No calls for tender have been put out with vendors. No trials have been undertaken. No research of their own has been done. Absolutely nothing. Yet you complain about a backstop that Britain wanted and you demand the EU solve for us. It's got about as much substance as the politicians you back. It's like me telling you you could have built one of your military helicopters from scratch in a month if you had sufficient will. I dare say you'd tell me to 'eff off.

I mentioned this a little way back. No calls for tender, no trials, no models, but why ? Because as I said there was no political will by either the U.K. or the EU. I blame the U.K. government totally for this but it now looks as though the EU finally understand that No Deal is real...Everyone will say that the WA is not being reopened, but you watch what happens over the next month in finding a compromise...they will call it by a different name, a protocol/addendum or something, but there will now be some form of agreement........

 

[sbbefc]

North Korea ? I thought we couldn't sign unilateral trade deals whist still being in the EU ?

This self-serving idiot is lying as per.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Somehow it doesn't quite work when you plagiarise someone else's insults. Try and be original.

 

[Xizor]

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Nanny's going to be getting a fine, she's let little Jacob out without tying his shoelaces for him.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Nanny's going to be getting a fine, she's let little Jacob out without tying his shoelaces for him.

Ha never even noticed that

 

[Methuselah]

At the moment I’m getting paid to drive around a go kart track for fun... councils wasting taxpayers cash I guess you’d call it

nIce work if you can get it, well done.

 

[RichardP]

This hasn’t aged well mate but your post earlier just shows you still haven’t grasped that the backstop was always going to be at the very crux of any Brexit outcome.

Expecting the EU to change tact now to facilitate the Tory/DUP alliance is whimsical.

I am not expecting the EU to do anything.

What I do expect is for BoJo to exit on WTO terms if EU refuse to negotiate and remove the backstop.

 

[RichardP]

So the UK are playing chicken with the far bigger and stronger EU and the plan is to hope that the EU blink first because they have a different solution up their sleeve?
Lets boil this down.
If the EU gives the UK a deal that's satisfactory to the UK parliament, it could spell the end of the EU
If the EU doesnt give the UK a deal that satisfactory to the UK parliament, it could spell the end of the UK.
They found a middle ground to avoid both scenarios but the whole of parliament was held hostage by the DUP.

It kinda blows my mind that the deal May negotiated got so easily smeared by the far right and DUP and all Brexiteers went along with that narrative.

But you give away your insecurity about UK in your own words.

The Uk was, is and will remain strong enough to survive and thrive. A negotiation takes place between 2 equals. That has always been the EU failing - believing it can dictate. It can't. And that is one of the main reasons why we will leave - either on WTO terms or with a deal that suits us.

Either is fine with me.

 

[Ruairi77]

From the moment it was determined that the divorce settlement had to be agreed and signed before the future relationship could be negotiated, it made it almost impossible to achieve a deal that would be acceptable to the majority of Brexiteers. The simple reason for this is that you are then relying on trust, and trust of the EU is something in small supply amongst Brexiteers.

I actually supported the May deal and think I'm correct in saying I was possibly the only person on this forum who did, certainly amongst the leave side anyway. Not because I thought it was a good deal, but because I recognised that for a deal to work it had to involve compromise from both sides. I realise now that the country is so divided that there is zero chance of this happening now or in the near future. So it is inevitable that we will either leave with no deal, or kick it further down the road until one side or another can manage a big enough majority in Parliament. We will then either revoke article 50 or leave with no deal.

I disagree with you about the "whole" of parliament being held to ransom by the DUP. The government maybe, but not the whole of Parliament. Apart from the DUP and elements of the ERG, May's deal was also voted down by the SNP, LibDems, Green Party, PC and 90% of Labour MPs. In fact a large contingent of them also voted down every one of the indicative options too. Nothing to do with the DUP and everything to do with wanting to remain.

I think you're bang on with this,
whether the DUP held the whole of parliament hostage is kinda 6 of one, half a dozen of the the other. Fact is that, unlike SNP, greens etc. The DUP had the power to make something happen (or not in this case).
I think you make a good point about trust in the EU. Perhaps the UK/EU project was always destined for failure. Where other nations held referendums on EU changes, the UK avoided this so the development of the EU was taken out of the hands of British people. I can only imagine that consecutive governments wanted to avoid the hassle of the UK public voting down treaties (I know it's not constitutionally required).
But I would suggest that this is not the fault of the EU but the fault of the UK.
The Brexit voters mistrust is misplaced. It's interesting to watch who's feeding the narrative of mistrust in the EU, there's a good chance that there's connections to those fueling fear of immigrants in the US/Italy. Who benefits most from mistrust in the EU?

 

[Ruairi77]

But you give away your insecurity about UK in your own words.

The Uk was, is and will remain strong enough to survive and thrive. A negotiation takes place between 2 equals. That has always been the EU failing - believing it can dictate. It can't. And that is one of the main reasons why we will leave - either on WTO terms or with a deal that suits us.

Either is fine with me.

I've no insecurities about the UK. However, I don't see the EU and UK as equals in the same way I don't see the UK and Ireland as equals.
The UK are going all in with a pair of 2's

 

[Armaghtoffee]

I am not expecting the EU to do anything.

What I do expect is for BoJo to exit on WTO terms if EU refuse to negotiate and remove the backstop.

And then how would their open border trade arrangement/freedom of movement with Ireland work with WTO membership as regards relationships with other states?

 

[Armaghtoffee]

I am not expecting the EU to do anything.

What I do expect is for BoJo to exit on WTO terms if EU refuse to negotiate and remove the backstop.

The same backstop that the U.K. accepted as part of the first exit agreement?

What next must surely be the response of the EU to U.K. bad faith in negotiations!!??!!

A salutary lesson to all future trading partners.

 

[brigadier]

Interesting programme this afternoon on radio 4, about brexit and what it would mean for Liverpool, the deep water dock would very well, others not so.