Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
Status
Not open for further replies.
RichardP said:
Again, you demonstrate your insecurity about UK. I believe we have a full house. You believe we have a pair of 2's. You really should have more faith.




Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed remember. May agreed to put the so called WA including the backstop to Parliament but no agreement could be finalised unless or until Parliament approved it. The EU knew this. Parliament rejected the unratified WA. Three times!

And a lot of people voted against it. Three times they did. And fair play to them if that is their conviction. Meanwhile, the mess
Click to expand...
RichardP said:
Well, I am a UK citizen and not an EU one so we are looking at the situation from diamettrically opposed points of view.

I am confident so let's see how the cards fall shall we.
Click to expand...
You are a British citizen, and your passport confirms thus. You are also an EU national while we are part of the EU. You might not want to be an EU national but you are. There you go.....
 
RichardP said:
No, she didn't. The referendum vote, as explained by Cameron pre 2016 would take us out of the Customs Union, Common Fisheries Policy, etc etc. May's wilful and negligent surrender risked leaving us trapped in the Customs Union forever.

That is NOT what we voted for and her surrender document was rightly voted down. Three times!
Click to expand...

Mama always said that stupid is as stupid posts.
 
Armaghtoffee said:
Surrender document?

If it hadn’t been for the Tory reliance on the DUP then said surrender document was the way forward to achieving Brexit.

It is exactly this ‘surrender’ Nationalism that drives the pro Brexit political commentary and sentiment.
Click to expand...

We signed up for a Common Market in 1973, not political union. The result of the referendum is that we are taking our independence back. If Remainers or EU don't like it, that is fine but we voted democratically to take back our independence, not sign up to another EU treaty - which is what Remainer May's WA was. Thankfully, that deal is dead and we would all be better advised to look to the future as we have 2 months to either reach a satisfactory deal or leave on WTO terms.

Either is fine with me.

Unfortunately, Parliament is Remain dominated whilst the popular vote is for Leave and that is what we have been fighting for the past 3 years - our own Parliament which does not respect its own democracy when it doesn't suit them. It is quite disgraceful, but BoJo is slowly but surely sorting things out.
 
RichardP said:
We signed up for a Common Market in 1973, not political union. The result of the referendum is that we are taking our independence back. If Remainets or EU don't like it, that is fine but we voted democratically to take back our independence, not sign up to another EU treaty - which is what Remainer May's WA was. Thankfully, that deal is dead and we would all be better advised to look to the future as we have 2 months to either reach a satisfactory deal or leave on WTO terms.

Either is fine with me.
Click to expand...

The Treaty of Rome included the free movement of people, so presumably you're happy for that to continue?
 
RichardP said:
No mention of EU on my nice new British passport.
Click to expand...
Correct. Your country is still part of the EU, no? Ergo, you are an EU national me old mate. Your passport is unaffected by this. Didn't you know that? Nowhere did your passport state that your Nationality status was EU national. Never has. Or did yours uniquely state this? You are a British citizen. Nothing has changed for you Dick, mate....
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Out of interest, could you share why you believe the UK should be full of confidence?
Click to expand...

Yes, I could but BoJo does it so much better than I.

Turn the argument around. EU is sliding into recession, Germanty especially is in trouble, France has massive problems, Italy is on the verge of electing another anti EU government, various EU countries have voted against EU and allbeen for ed to vote again until the EU got the result it wanted. Why would we want to stay in such an organisation. One that we make a substantial net contribution to, only to be told who we can trade with and to see our net contribution to subsidise other countries industry which then takes business away from UK. It's like paying money to be punished. I am not into that sort of thing.
 
Emlynsqueakyvoice said:
Correct. Your country is still part of the EU, no? Ergo, you are an EU national me old mate. Your passport is unaffected by this. Didn't you know that? Nowhere did your passport state that your Nationality status was EU national. Never has. Or did yours uniquely state this? You are a British citizen. Nothing has changed for you [Poor language removed], mate....
Click to expand...

I am British and most definitely not an EU citizen. That situation will be formalised 31/10/19.
 
RichardP said:
Yes, I could but BoJo does it so much better than I.

Turn the argument around. EU is sliding into recession, Germanty especially is in trouble, France has massive problems, Italy is on the verge of electing another anti EU government, various EU countries have voted against EU and allbeen for ed to vote again until the EU got the result it wanted. Why would we want to stay in such an organisation. One that we make a substantial net contribution to, only to be told who we can trade with and to see our net contribution to subsidise other countries industry which then takes business away from UK. It's like paying money to be punished. I am not into that sort of thing.
Click to expand...

You sounded very confident in our merits, yet can't name a single one? By the way, no one tells British companies who they can trade with, as companies don't tend to ask permission about such things. Trade deals make trading easier, they don't permit trading to occur. That's a complete misunderstanding of what they are.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
The Treaty of Rome included the free movement of people, so presumably you're happy for that to continue?
Click to expand...

No, I am not because we are leaving the EU completely.

I am not against controlled immigration at all but EU discriminates in favour of EU citizens and I would like to see one common standard applied to anyone who wishes to move to UK.
 
RichardP said:
No, I am not because we are leaving the EU completely.

I am not against controlled immigration at all but EU discriminates in favour of EU citizens and I would like to see one common standard applied to anyone who wishes to move to UK.
Click to expand...

But you said you were in favour of the Treaty of Rome we signed back in 1973. That included free movement of people. It almost sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about, which surely can't be right.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
You sounded very confident in our merits, yet can't name a single one? By the way, no one tells British companies who they can trade with, as companies don't tend to ask permission about such things. Trade deals make trading easier, they don't permit trading to occur. That's a complete misunderstanding of what they are.
Click to expand...

We will survive very nicely. Look at our financial services sector just as a small example. Look at the countries lining up to do business with us once we have unshackled ourselves from EU.

They can see the benefits of trading with an independent UK that you either can't or won't see.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome

Join the Everton conversation today.
Fewer ads, full access, completely free.

→ Log in 🔑 Register
🛒 Visit Shop

Support Grand Old Team by checking out our latest Everton gear!
Back
Top