Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Joey66 said:
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The was no hard border in 1922 the troubles are over only the EU are stiring the pot plus you ......no border goods can travel as they do now with different taxes and Different rates of VAT .....
If that problem is overcome by HMR so can basic goods....
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AND. THE. TROUBLES. LED. TO. A HARD. BORDER.

I am not stirring any pot. Nor are the EU.

You said yourself that you want a soft border in Ireland, but with passports. Which is a hard border.

You said you want free movement of people, with passports, which isnt free movement.
 
Methuselah said:
The 17,410,742 votes for leave was higher than any other single electoral option in British political history.
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And apparently Remainers can make any fact fit the narrative...

While that particular statement is correct, it does somewhat distort the facts.

More votes were made in the 1992 GE, 78% turned out for that vote. Around 70% voted to stay in the EC in 1975 which was a higher percentage than the vote in 2016.

I'm sure @Joey66 will fact check it for you, although he doesn't use Google so I expect he'll have to call the ONS tomorrow.
 
roydo said:
AND. THE. TROUBLES. LED. TO. A HARD. BORDER.

I am not stirring any pot. Nor are the EU.

You said yourself that you want a soft border in Ireland, but with passports. Which is a hard border.

You said you want free movement of people, with passports, which isnt free movement.
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The civil war over religious beliefs caused the troubles, the EU had nothing to do with that of the GF agreement.....
We are talking about trade not the bad old days ....
 
Joey66 said:
As a poster stated it's an EU problem if they want a hard border as no governments in the UK want one......
Oh and there has been freelancing movement on the Ireland of Ireland since 1922....
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One if the main talking points regarding Brexit was 'taking back control of our borders and an end to free movement'

How does what you have said there make any sense?
 
Xizor said:
So we've had Methuselah's admission that not all Leave voters knew what they were voting for, does any other Brexiter want to try answer the following riddle? Remember to show your working, and that refusing to "answer a hypothetical" is just Tory interview-speak for 'you've caught me out there'.

Let's run a little thought experiment. Let's say it's 2016 again and the referendum is tomorrow. Unofficially, the Tories have been talking with the EU for a year since the GE and have a rough roadmap of how Leaving would actually work, and it's shockingly similar to the WA. No ifs, no buts, the 'Out' option on the ballot paper has it in black & white - £39b payment, Irish backstop and all, up against a simple 'Remain with no changes'.

Reckon that version of Leave gets 52% of the vote? Would any of the resident Leavers have gone for it?
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Where did I make that admission? I've posted this before, but the similarity between remoaners and RS fans is remarkable. Can't accept defeat. Stretch logic to remarkable lengths to make out they really should have won. Refuse to accept that their position is undemocratic. I could go on, but have a bottle of beer waiting.
 
Joey66 said:
The civil war over religious beliefs caused the troubles, the EU had nothing to do with that of the GF agreement.....
We are talking about trade not the bad old days ....
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Yeah, I know. You were the one that suggested a hard border return referred to 1921, well done. The only person in Europe who thought that.

I dont know if I can make you actually read what I post, so I wont bother.
 
Methuselah said:
Where did I make that admission? I've posted this before, but the similarity between remoaners and RS fans is remarkable. Can't accept defeat. Stretch logic to remarkable lengths to make out they really should have won. Refuse to accept that their position is undemocratic. I could go on, but have a bottle of beer waiting.
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Funny because whenever you get a RS on the ropes they just roll out '6 times laaad'. Whenever you get a Brexiter on the ropes they just roll out 'you lost get over it'.
 
Joey66 said:
The civil war over religious beliefs caused the troubles, the EU had nothing to do with that of the GF agreement.....
We are talking about trade not the bad old days ....
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It was a war over territory which happened to be mostly divided along religious lines.
The EU had everything to do with the GFA. The common market as well as freedom of movement facilitated the removal of the hard border which was a huge factor in the softening of positions on the nationalist side.
There is a simple solution to this. Stop being held hostage by the DUP, put the border down the Irish sea. NI remains in the UK but also in the customs union. Just be prepared for Scotland to look for the same deal. You might feel differently about all this when there's a customs border dividing your Island.
 
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