As a poster stated it's an EU problem if they want a hard border as no governments in the UK want one......
Oh and there has been freelancing movement on the Ireland of Ireland since 1922....
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Oh and there has been freelancing movement on the Ireland of Ireland since 1922....
Joey, you pathetically attributed a strawman position to me, which is itself a logical fallacy. Going from this thread alone I don't believe you understand basic debating principles. I shouldn't have even bothered responding at all!
Edit: Wow, a middle finger in response. So to summarise, you don't understand my position, can't argue against it, and think insults, schoolyard hand gestures and ellipsis are the way to go about conversation between (I presume) adults. Why you're positively overqualified for the ERG.
roydo
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So for the millionth time, you are quite happy with free movement of people between the EU and the UK then? I am. Its ace.
And what?
Free movement with passports yes ....
roydo
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So a hard border then? Make your mind up.
Did not realise the was an airport or a seaport on the Irish border as free movement has been in place since 1922......
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I 100% knew what i was voting for , thanks
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Charlie, not one of these Leavers can answer that, so don't hold your breath. You will get bluster about some undesigned electronic miracle border which won't exist for ten years. You will also hear that the backstop is anti democratic. That's straight out of Johnson's word book and means nothing. The only party that opposes the backstop in Ireland is the DUP, which by a mad coincidence is propping these Tory clowns up. A majority of people in the six counties of the North of Ireland favour the backstop. Surely the backstop is purely democratic and nothing else. Johnson is a shambles. Taking back control? Don't talk wet.
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Joey wants an assymetric border, where the EU fascists maintain hard border, stopping us travelling in easily and protecting their single market from any good that just happen to exist in the '3rd nation' UK.
But as he's fine with the UK government not maintaining any border security he's not got any problem with massed Eastern European immigration crossing to Belfast and then making its way over the Irish sea. And he's literally cock-a-hoop with the idea of smugglers bringing any old item in.
But as he's fine with the UK government not maintaining any border security he's not got any problem with massed Eastern European immigration crossing to Belfast and then making its way over the Irish sea. And he's literally cock-a-hoop with the idea of smugglers bringing any old item in.
Nah. You knew why you voted. You didn't know what you were voting for - you didn't know what the outcome would be, or even what any government would want it to be.
So we've had Methuselah's admission that not all Leave voters knew what they were voting for, does any other Brexiter want to try answer the following riddle? Remember to show your working, and that refusing to "answer a hypothetical" is just Tory interview-speak for 'you've caught me out there'.
Let's run a little thought experiment. Let's say it's 2016 again and the referendum is tomorrow. Unofficially, the Tories have been talking with the EU for a year since the GE and have a rough roadmap of how Leaving would actually work, and it's shockingly similar to the WA. No ifs, no buts, the 'Out' option on the ballot paper has it in black & white - £39b payment, Irish backstop and all, up against a simple 'Remain with no changes'.
Reckon that version of Leave gets 52% of the vote? Would any of the resident Leavers have gone for it?
Let's run a little thought experiment. Let's say it's 2016 again and the referendum is tomorrow. Unofficially, the Tories have been talking with the EU for a year since the GE and have a rough roadmap of how Leaving would actually work, and it's shockingly similar to the WA. No ifs, no buts, the 'Out' option on the ballot paper has it in black & white - £39b payment, Irish backstop and all, up against a simple 'Remain with no changes'.
Reckon that version of Leave gets 52% of the vote? Would any of the resident Leavers have gone for it?
roydo
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You sure about that Joe? Like really really sure there has been free, unchecked movement of people between ROI and NI since 1922?
NilSatisOptimum
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Only if they offered something, which they are not and in London, nothing about kowtowing over to Brussels...
I voted remain, certainly did not understand all the implications of my vote. Not sure not knowing is exclusive to leavers, as much as some remainers would like it to be, but that says lots about them...
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The Irish Free State Constitution Act 1922 (Session 2) was an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom, passed in 1922 to enact in UK law the Constitution of the Irish Free State, and to ratify the 1921 Anglo-Irish Treaty ...
The Common Travel Area (CTA; Irish: Comhlimistéar Taistil) is an open borders area comprising the United Kingdom, Ireland, the Isle of Man, and the Channel Islands. The British Overseas Territories are not included. Based on agreements that are legally binding, the internal borders of the Common Travel Area (CTA) are subject to minimal controls, if any, and can normally be crossed by British and Irish citizens with minimal identity documents with certain exceptions.[1][2] The maintenance of the CTA involves considerable co-operation on immigration matters between the British and Irish authorities.
roydo
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So the Paras, the Marines, the Garda, the RUC, gun emplacements and watch towers were just there for funsies then?
Thats the crux mate. And you have the gall to say its the EU problem. But wait, you knew ALL this before you voted.
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