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[Barnfred 55]

You just said that you want all of the four freedoms to continue except free movement, so you want to actively distinguish between Peter and Petr based upon nothing but their nationality. What would you call it? They're human beings. With free movement they have equal rights across the entirety of Europe. You want to remove that, and (leave generally) want to remove it so they can 'control' the numbers coming here, with control meaning they think they are bad and there are too many of them. A nefarious force coming here to do untold horrible things, like wipe the arse of our elderly, care for our sick, build our houses, pick our crops. Horrible, horrible things who dare to speak their language in the supermarket, coz I mean you randomly talk to any old strangser in Tesco so you've simply got to know what they're saying.

Btw, when you move to Cornwall you can have your little England bubble and surround yourself with it. It'll be lovely. The enemy then will be Londoners with their bloody second homes, coming there, ruining it all. Unless all the expats are kicked out of Spain because they can't afford healthcare any more, then they may all end up back in Cornwall using 'their NHS'. That'll be lovely for you.

And I'm not conciliatory to be honest, because I think it's a bloody disgrace what's going on. I'm angry. Throw all the titty lips you like, because what you're doing 'you' are not the victim, so please stop pretending you are.

In the past 24 hours Bruce you have openly and wrongly accused me of preferring the EU over my own country, of hating everybody who voted to remain in the EU, and of being a racist. In addition, based on nothing more than my wish to move to Cornwall, you have made me out to be some sort of middle class middle Englander, knowing full well how that would go down with certain factions of this forum. When the truth is that you know absolutely zero about us personally, our health situation, our financial situation, why we retired early, or the true reasons behind our decision to move to Cornwall. I was born and lived in Speke until I was 30. My wife the same but in Dingle. I don't know if you are familiar with either of those 2 area's Bruce but they are as far removed from middle England as you can possibly get. Have you got an agenda going against me Bruce?

Regardless of personal matters, you have also openly declared that anybody who disagrees with your precious movement of people, irrespective of their reasons, is a racist. That's outrageous and I've absolutely no idea how you continue to get away with such comments. Your comment the other day comparing leave voters with 1930s Germans another example.

I may not be able to put you on ignore but I will be ignoring you from now on.

 

[Joey66]

Yes, but they aren't single issue.

In the event of another GE, I'm not sure how likely it would be that both big parties would back it again.

Then they will hemorage votes.....

 

[Jebus_lives]

"Always the victim, it's never their fault" isn't singular, about one person.

It groups a collective, reinforcing a narrative against MPs, a dangerous, overly simplistic narrative. Rhetoric is rhetoric, The debate should and needs to be held to a higher standard as you said in your example on Trump "rhetoric fueling this notion that 'the other' is here to do harm" - let's not fuel the notion against all MPs at a time when MPs are advised to share taxis home amid fears of Brexit-related attacks.

It can be a reference to the mindset of a single person, when considering the wider mindset of people that have a victim complex.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

When the truth is that you know absolutely zero about us personally, our health situation, our financial situation, why we retired early, or the true reasons behind our decision to move to Cornwall.

It's nothing personal Fred, he did the same with me in this thread.

You have to appreciate London is a bubble on Brexit and it's very difficult for London centric to understand Brexit and so conjure up reasoning that is more often than not very misguided.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Then they will hemorage votes.....

Maybe. But i'm sure they will be looking at polling which suggests the appetite for Brexit is on the wane.

 

[Joey66]

No, I'm commenting on this particular MP, and indeed the Brexiteers on here, who get all moany whenever anyone has the temerity to challenge them. Brexiters aren't the victims here, so it would be more edifying if they didn't carry on like they were.

That's rich coming from the minority in a referendum result you did not like......

 

[Joey66]

Maybe. But i'm sure they will be looking at polling which suggests the appetite for Brexit is on the wane.

Again that's your false belief surveys done hardly show people have changed their minds .....also you look at Remain people's vote it's based in strong based Remain territory ......London Bubble......

 

[Jebus_lives]

It's nothing personal Fred, he did the same with me in this thread.

You have to appreciate London is a bubble on Brexit and it's very difficult for London centric to understand Brexit and so conjure up reasoning that is more often than not very misguided.

While I take the point, I'm not sure London is any more a bubble than areas that voted overwhelmingly to leave.

 

[orchard]

Then they will hemorage votes.....

Quite the threat when you didn't bother yourself.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Again that's your false belief surveys done hardly show people have changed their minds .....also you look at Remain people's vote it's based in strong based Remain territory ......London Bubble......

It's not my belief @Joey66 I'm stating it as a position of a party that seems conflicted about their position on Brexit.

 

[Joey66]

It's not my belief @Joey66 I'm stating it as a position of a party that seems conflicted about their position on Brexit.

75 percent of MPs are remainers they will pay the price,..

 

[GrandOldTeam]

While I take the point, I'm not sure London is any more a bubble than areas that voted overwhelmingly to leave.

Yeah but London is a bubble comparative to the referendum result being the point.

I've already made the point when Bruce said it was me in a bubble.... lol

You've said I live in a bubble.

Knowsley, where I was born, and the district I currently live voted Leave 51.6% vs 48.4% and 55.3% vs 44.7% .

With regards to the referendum, both then are more representative of the UK than London;



It might shock you, but it's actually London that's the bubble...

You really should explore the UK outside of London and Europe - it would open up your mind.

Believe it or not, there's much more complexity to Brexit than 1) little Englanders, 2) those conned by a bus and 3) those who live in a bubble.

Bubble, bubble, bubble, bubble. Did someone say something about a bubble?

 

[Jebus_lives]

75 percent of MPs are remainers they will pay the price,..

Are they?

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Bit of light reading for you.

 

[Joey66]

Are they?

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

Bit of light reading for you.

The polls stated Remain was ahead last time

 

[Jebus_lives]

Yeah but London is a bubble comparative to the referendum result being the point.

I've already made the point when Bruce said it was me in a bubble.... lol



Bubble, bubble, bubble, bubble. Did someone say something about a bubble?

Yes sure, but when you have countries like Wales voting overwhelmingly to Leave, it does seem like the position on Brexit is less about Democratic process, legislation & sovereignty, constitutional issues and more about social factors.