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Hard to keep up with this thread so may have been asked already but do you feel betrayed by your own side as well?
Rees Mogg etc saying this deal was worse than remaining, and now look like they may back it? May's deal isn't what you people voted for is it?
I would also like to add that Tory MPs are in the public domain so you have a pretty good idea of who they are and what they represent. Had I spoken about Tory voters then by all means make such a comparison, as aside from extrapolating their views from the party they support, I know very little about them. I didn't do that though, I remarked upon MPs and the Brexiteers we have on here. They veer rabidly between puffed up nationalism and victimhood, depending on the circumstances. It's very strange behaviour.
Why only quote half of the post?
Because this isn't "commenting on one MP"
^ Can't you see how contradictory this is? A few moments after talking about how people create a...
Not sure you can have a general election manifesto that just says: OUT means OUT.
So what do you expect him to do in that situation, ignore his track record and ask bland paint-by-numbers questions?
It's fine criticising but what's the alternative when the guy just says whatever he wants and doesn't expect to be held to account on what he does?
Even if it is to an agenda, it doesn't disqualify how it's a valid line of questioning.
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I suppose it's one of those questions that we'll never know the answer to Harry. It's all conjecture really because we've already missed that boat. I think it's fair to say that the law of averages would imply that a proper cross party Brexit plan would have meant some remain voters would have been more engaged in the Brexit process. Whether that would have appeased the majority of them I guess we'll never know.
'nothing is worse than what we are being offered'
'her Brexit deal is awful'
'its a bad agreement'
'not a vassal state, it's a slave state'
'rule takers, not rule makers'
But of course, it's Remainers that are using extreme language.
Quite correct no purity in our race after it being mixed with Viking, Normans, and the Romans in history gone by let alone the docks were once one of main industries ....The UK is a right old mixture in our heritage of many historic breeds nothing wrong with that, it's been going on through the centuries.....half my background is southern Irish ....
Yet nothing to do with the current situation of free movement if it's fair and worked sensibly....
I expect public service broadcasters to not self indulge/click bait.
Clearly it's much more complex than Krishnan Guru-Murthy allows credit for, but that doens't matter to him, his agenda is "MPs can change their mind, change their vote - so should the general population - allow a peoples vote."
As I say - UK broadcasters are on the American route - the presenter, the personality and the agenda takes precedent over the story. If there's an angle to push, push it.
I disagree with most of Corbyn but he nailed Channel 4/Krishnan Guru-Murthy with tabloid journalists.
Want to see the full interview to the edgy introduction? Sure, it's over here. Clicky, click, click a click
I am sure you can have a manefesto with it in - oh wait....... both the big parties did........
Two manefesto of the two biggest parties need to honour the referendum......or Its a betrayal ok......
It's a direct comment on an interview with an MP. Who else did you think I was talking about? It's hard to believe we're comparing that with the likes of Farage's 'breaking point' poster, May's hostile environment campaign or Trump's Mexicans are rapists rhetoric. I mean seriously?
Yes, but they aren't single issue.
In the event of another GE, I'm not sure how likely it would be that both big parties would back it again.
"Always the victim, it's never their fault" isn't singular, about one person.
It groups a collective, reinforcing a narrative against MPs, a dangerous, overly simplistic narrative. Rhetoric is rhetoric, The debate should and needs to be held to a higher standard as you said in your example on Trump "rhetoric fueling this notion that 'the other' is here to do harm" - let's not fuel the notion against all MPs at a time when MPs are advised to share taxis home amid fears of Brexit-related attacks.
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