I know.The polls stated Remain was ahead last time
Where did the get the 75% figure about Remain MPs @Joey66
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Where did the get the 75% figure about Remain MPs @Joey66
The polls stated Remain was ahead last time
On surveys/polling, I only tend to bother/take note of ICM
That's going to happen when the EU dictates social policy to member states.
*puts hard hat on*
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Social factors which many remainers are still unwilling to acknowledge, never mind address.
I'd like to propose a referendum on forcing @Bruce Wayne to live in Wigan for a year.
Expose to diversity could do him some good
I was reading an article recently about how polling has become largely obsolete in recent years as people feel less inclined to voice true opinion for fear of a backlash, so they offer up a more neutral opinion when asked.
Seemingly, social media trends and analysis offer much better polling predictions than traditional polling as people feel more confident among a network that generally emphasizes their veiw point.
Precious freedom of movement? Precious? Ffs.
I bother with none of them as they are way out sometimes....
I treat them like football rumours. Some are like The Times, some are like The Mirror...
The devil of course is in the detail.
The method of polling is of course very significant, I think a combination helps and perhaps an algorithm applied against those methods.
Personally I think social media is one of the worst indicators.
I think no matter what you do, there's always a very significant silent majority.
So it should. Belief that we are better remaining in the EU should not contradict criticism from some of it's activities and policies.
However, it's also irresponsible for UK politicians to hang those social factors solely around the neck of the EU when a policy of Austerity has led people to the point where they don't consider being poorer or economic uncertainty a threat as they already have absolutely nothing.
I see Brexit as a reaction to the status quo rather than the EU necessarily, which is why I find the narrative about racists and idiots a little uncomfortable when applied to 17.4m people. The same people are still being let down.
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From what I can gather, this is factored into account in the algorithms. But the evidence suggested that it was a much better, better I think being the operative word, way of indication of voting.
The pollsters that used social media analysis, were the ones that predicted Trump and Brexit, while traditional pollsters did not - although the fact that both were incredibly close seemed to be completely overlooked in the media analysis.
Lots of truth in that about London, not just Bruce the likes of the Labour London cartel can't grasp that the world outside London is a very different place with different values and outlooks , likes of thornberrys white van man statement and that was only down the road in Essex as an example,universities around the country being the exemption to this on the whole which would be more in line with London.
In fairness they have a different outlook as there are some many foreign people about up there compared to anywhere else in the UK that it's only natural , its has more in common with the likes of Paris than Leeds or Liverpool.
Not for me to big and to fast but i can see its attraction if you like a cosmopolitan world in one city lifestyle.
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And of course, for approaching ten years, the government has done nearly everything possible to lend credibility to nativist sentiments, well beyond even the obvious outrages like hostile immigration.
Don't want people to think it's plausible that the country is 'full'? Then stop pumping the real estate market full of laundered overseas cash and BOE-invented inquidity just to keep boomer home-owners and the banks profitably rent-seeking.
Don't want people to think immigrants are driving down wages? Then perhaps stop deliberately suppressing them.
I always find it surprising how little effort some of our champions of free movement devote to understanding this; much easier, I suppose, to idly daydream about doing away with democracy altogether.
That isn't just anecdotal, there has been quite a bit of research on the matter (Geert Hofstede the main author in this space), and yes, people in London (or Oxford or Manchester) have more in common with people in Berlin and Barcelona than they do people in Wigan. May put her stake in the ground when she derogatorily referred to such people as 'citizens of nowhere'.
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