Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Groucho]

Your an intelligent fella. I'm sure you don't need me to point out what the law states regards the referendum result

You mean the advisory referendum that didn’t need to be legally binding?

 

[Wizard]

Bet they can't wait to vote for that! Ha.

Quite ironic the remained are now banking on the EU thinking we are that important...

Er, how is that ironic? Remainers voted to stay in the EU as their partners. Surely this is a clear example of why

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

What about the potentially very large number of people who would want to leave but not with Theresa May's deal?

That's the issue with your point. I reckon 20% + of the electorate would prefer a no deal.

Then include a no deal option in the 2nd referendum.

As for Mays deal that’s already been rejected twice. So hopefully now Europe will grant us additional time to pull a true x-party deal together. Then once that’s in place put the whole lot back to the public to make the decision without the corrupt politicians messing it all up.

If we leave it to them we will never find a way forward.

 

[Groucho]

Christ you can’t get out of this thread if you reply once.

 

[Neiler]

You can just see the EU wagging there fingers at us and saying "you naughty, naughty United Kingdom, okay, we'll give you an extension, but there will be no pudding tonight for you!"

They've got us by the balls.

Or make Teresa eat in the coddidor again.

I hope for a deal and a soft brexit, in fact if I had to call it, I think there is an inevitability to Mays deal being accepted, it’s just a matter of providing the right ladders for everyone to climb down. The E.U. have the U.K. every which way. They don’t even need to do anything, U.K. politics is eating itself alive.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I haven't got enough time tonight mush

Oh i'l be in the thread.

Nothing else to do in Shrewsbury eh?

 

[arminisgod]

Er, how is that ironic? Remainers voted to stay in the EU as their partners. Surely this is a clear example of why

Because the entire leave campaign was built around how powerful we are and the EU would need a deal.... And remain laughed at that

 

[Wizard]

Surely we’ve shown how we aren’t that powerful at all. So well done leave campaign on selling another lie

 

[Joey66]

I don't think I'd be happy, but let's not forget the near 40 years of 'leave campaigning' since we signed up to Europe. Also, it wouldn't happen as we would have a consensus of opinion and no actual further decisions to make. We would simply remain.

I also said I would think it's undemocratic, but that its different in so much as allowing the UK to exercise it's own democratic process rather than frustrating it.

That is the worst quote ever on this thread in Bold ..... I voted to join the ECC { Common Market}, and the referendums were clear victories not a polictical union - the first vote on that Out won....
The EU and remainers have done their best to overturn it.......or dilute it.....

Just tell me how do countries who are islands in the commonwealth survive outside the EU?

The German bank is about to go bust also .........

 

[Barnfred 55]

A lot of people who voted leave seem to have an issue with a second referendum (People’s vote) on the basis that it’s all about remainers not accepting the initial vote.

But they couldn’t be further from the truth. The people’s vote is about giving the public a second chance to vote on leaving the EU based on a specific deal or remaining.

Either way the people will know the full details and impact of us leaving the EU based on the deal. Something that was missing from the original referendum.

it’s not about bitter remainers it’s about proper democracy.

You can dress it up any way you want, but at the end of the day I haven't come across one person who voted to leave who is now asking for a peoples vote. Obviously I wouldn't dream of speaking on behalf of other Brexit voters, but the only people I see requesting this second vote are people who want to remain in the EU. So let's be honest here and stop pretending this is anything other than an attempt to overturn the result of the first referendum.

Having said that, I can't say I blame you and I'm pretty sure that if Remain had won, then those supporting Brexit would be doing their best to overturn the result too. Should a second referendum be allowed?. That's above my pay grade but common sense would suggest that once you have a second vote you set a precedent for the future. Also what questions do you ask. If it's leave or no deal, you alienate the people who still want to leave with a deal. If it's leave or May's deal, you alienate those who want to leave on a different deal or even no deal. Either way your not catering for a large part of the electorate which can hardly be described as democratic.

Personally I don't believe a people's vote will solve the mess we're in. If leave wins you're not going to stop campaigning and vice versa if remain wins. Plus no side has the power t see it through in Parliament. So I'd skip a referendum completely and go straight for a general election to see of one side can get a strong enough mandate in parliament to see it through one way or another.

 

[Barnfred 55]

IMHO I think alot of people are in for a huge shock in two weeks time.

May isn't getting a deal through whatsoever

And so there will be no need for any sort of extension

You could well be right Frank. It's certainly a bigger risk than some on here think.

Parliament and the EU are both against it so I don't expect it to happen, but all it takes is one of the EU countries to block an extension and then it's definitely back on the table.

Pity you're not a billionaire mate you could throw a few bungs their way.

 

[Frang]

You could well be right Frank. It's certainly a bigger risk than some on here think.

Parliament and the EU are both against it so I don't expect it to happen, but all it takes is one of the EU countries to block an extension and then it's definitely back on the table.

Pity you're not a billionaire mate you could throw a few bungs their way.

I'm just uneducated working class scum me mate

 

[arminisgod]

Surely we’ve shown how we aren’t that powerful at all. So well done leave campaign on selling another lie

If the EU agree to an extension then it shows how much they need us.

 

[Wizard]

You could well be right Frank. It's certainly a bigger risk than some on here think.

Parliament and the EU are both against it so I don't expect it to happen, but all it takes is one of the EU countries to block an extension and then it's definitely back on the table.

Pity you're not a billionaire mate you could throw a few bungs their way.

Thing is it doesn’t really suit any of the EU countries to block an extension as the likely outcome then is no deal (as I can’t see May’s deal getting through). No deal is by no means a good outcome for them when a potential deal or us remaining is still on the table.

I may be completely wrong but that’s how I see it.

 

[Frang]

Thing is it doesn’t really suit any of the EU countries to block an extension as the likely outcome then is no deal (as I can’t see May’s deal getting through). No deal is by no means a good outcome for them when a potential deal or us remaining is still on the table.

I may be completely wrong but that’s how I see it.

It's starting to get to THAT point for lots of different people now..

Who knows what will transpire