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    Votes: 688 67.9%

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    Votes: 325 32.1%
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Joey66 said:
Heard a good summing up on the draft deal which our civil servants signed by Michael Portillo on BBC this week last night he compared it with the French signing the deal in the railway carriage after the invasion of the Germans 2nd world war a total humiliation - in the same forest of the armistice signed after the first word war - only that over this Brexit deal was similar our civil servants were blindfolded he stated in was brexit in name only - he analyses quite well as he forecast Theresa May getting on the plane in the late hours to go to Brussels on the Irish backstop deal she signed would be her downfall way back then...
He still thinks she will be gone by her party soon....... comparisons of Thatcher being overthrown as that deal will never get voted through parliment .....
the draft the divorce bill cannot be altered as its to good of a deal payment , and content wise.... also the main way forwards is only 5 pages ... and the divorce is stronger, and much harder than signing article 50 .......
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Has anyone ever introduced you to the full stop Joey?
 
abelard said:
Things will basically stay the same, and Britain will continue paying the EU for the privilege, but we'll now have no influence over the rules we're compelled to follow.

This is considerably worse than the current arrangement, where we do have a say over EU regulation, but also considerably better than leaving without a deal, which would be an even greater economic disaster than the past 8 years of Tory rule.

This is also exactly what anyone paying attention has spent the past two years warning was likely to happen.

Well done boys.
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So weve basically gone back to the Boston of 250yrs ago to 'No taxation without representation'
 
bigbadjeff said:
Agreed, but the DUP are small fry corrupt. The EU Stinks to high heaven.
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In the context of Brexit EU and proping up Mays government I would suggest DUP are not small fry! Also NI as a whole is having an absolute cracking deal currently with what is termed leaving the EU. And as for the EU, a construct raw capitalism and the corporate world expressing it's will. Better off inside being reconstructive than being subservient or out in the cold.
 
SpongeBob brown shoes said:
Can't blame them to be fair, they wernt exactly model humans for the best part of the 20th century
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Go back 80 years before that, and ask the Indians how great they thought of the British East India Company. Or one could ask what the Kenyans thought of the UK during the 1950's.

Heck, the British had concentration camps during the 2nd Boer war.

But two world wars and one world cup you know'.
 
Charlie Sweet said:
I'm not being funny but we wouldn't be in this mess if the older generation didn't keep harping on about the second world war all the time!
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I genuinely don't think that's the prime issue. Yes there are concerns about Germany, however I think many EU countries have that due to their overall influence.

However, I think that many of the older generations look back to, perhaps with rose tinted glasses, a time of British prosperity and influence - even after WWII.

We were still pioneers and at the forefront of major industries such as jet aviation, manufacturing, chemicals et al., while our banking sector still held great sway.

The war was the start of our demise, yet we still held our head high and I think that's where the whole mantra of 'we prospered before so can again' comes from'.

Unfortunately, it ignores our current dwindled status compared to that of the 50s and 60s when there was still cause for optimism: it's almost we're ingenuous.
 
PhilM said:
I genuinely don't think that's the prime issue. Yes there are concerns about Germany, however I think many EU countries have that due to their overall influence.

However, I think that many of the older generations look back to, perhaps with rose tinted glasses, a time of British prosperity and influence - even after WWII.

We were still pioneers and at the forefront of major industries such as jet aviation, manufacturing, chemicals et al., while our banking sector still held great sway.

The war was the start of our demise, yet we still held our head high and I think that's where the whole mantra of 'we prospered before so can again' comes from'.

Unfortunately, it ignores our current dwindled status compared to that of the 50s and 60s when there was still cause for optimism: it's almost we're ingenuous.
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Yet the pound was devalued in 1967, which sparked the 10+ years until the 'winter of discontent' where Britain was widely labelled the sick man of Europe. Real prosperity there like. Indeed, it was probably the rubbish state we were in that prompted the country to want to join the EU in the first place, as negotiations began in 1969.
 
Fedlingen said:
Go back 80 years before that, and ask the Indians how great they thought of the British East India Company. Or one could ask what the Kenyans thought of the UK during the 1950's.

Heck, the British had concentration camps during the 2nd Boer war.

But two world wars and one world cup you know'.
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Who's saying Britain have been saints, people back then would rightly hate Britain and their children and grandchildren would still hate britain for what they done to their country and family

Theirs generations in this country that are directly affected by what happened in the wars,

The reply I made was about a comment that the older generations keep going on about the second world war, should they just shut up Fedlingen?

And keep your 'two world wars and one world cup' shout to yourself
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Yet the pound was devalued in 1967, which sparked the 10+ years until the 'winter of discontent' where Britain was widely labelled the sick man of Europe. Real prosperity there like. Indeed, it was probably the rubbish state we were in that prompted the country to want to join the EU in the first place, as negotiations began in 1969.
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I should have been more specific of the early to mid 1960s when stagnation came into place and our demise. For many however, they remember the better years.
 
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