Current Affairs EU In or Out

[scratchnsurf]

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They're ellipsis Joey.

 

[orchard]

They're ellipsis Joey.

Reported for not using Commercial At symbol. Sorry, but you brought this all on yourself

 

[scratchnsurf]

Reported for not using Commercial At symbol. Sorry, but you brought this all on yourself

I was worried about his blood pressure.

 

[Neiler]

3 days into this now, 11 votes shy, be some Malcolm Tuckering going on this weekend.

 

[Harryflashman]

Has anyone ever introduced you to the full stop Joey?

Those dictators in the EU have took them all , they need them for all the Turks that are coming and the EU army . That’ll all change come Brexit though they’re be so many full stops ,Glorious times.

 

[Alan Whittle]

all you had to do was put the 49 billion on the table with our demands and say if you don't come back with the correct answers the 49 billion will be not there.

Oh, it was a quiz! Like a sort of "Deal or No Deal"?

 

[orchard]

UKIP tried to organise a pro-Brexit protest at Downing Street but only four people showed up The protest, arranged by a UKIP MEP, ended half an hour before it was supposed to

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-protest-downing-street-no-one-showed-up-video/

 

[bigbadjeff]

In the context of Brexit EU and proping up Mays government I would suggest DUP are not small fry! Also NI as a whole is having an absolute cracking deal currently with what is termed leaving the EU. And as for the EU, a construct raw capitalism and the corporate world expressing it's will. Better off inside being reconstructive than being subservient or out in the cold.

I meant small fry as in slight corruption, not like total EU corruption. I take your point about NI getting the best of both worlds but can’t help feeling there’s more to all this than meets the eye.

 

[davids]

Often wondered about the need for a certain level of emotional and academic ability before being allowed to vote.

There is a case to be made that you have at least read the manifesto of the Party you vote for before you place your X

 

[davids]

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Three is the norm,but as we are all friends here,knock yourself out.

 

[tsubaki]

Go back 80 years before that, and ask the Indians how great they thought of the British East India Company. Or one could ask what the Kenyans thought of the UK during the 1950's.

Heck, the British had concentration camps during the 2nd Boer war.

But two world wars and one world cup you know'.

The East India Company was far more popular than the Raj was; the reason places like Bombay and Calcutta became the great cities they are now is because the locals poured into them because of the security and opportunity they represented (especially given the massive corruption of the Mughals at that time and the banditry of the rest).

It wasn't until the toffs realised how much money the EIC was making that they turned up, started to steal other men's work and began to antagonise the population with first the Mutiny and then the succession of racist bits of legislation and assorted cruelties that the EIC would never have done.

To put it another way - in the 140 years that the EIC was in charge in India the subcontinent was taken over and almost everyone benefited; in the 140 years that the British Establishment was the end result was that India was independent but the Establishment had lived like gods for a bit.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

There is a case to be made that you have at least read the manifesto of the Party you vote for before you place your X

Well yes, 2015 Conservative manifesto stated a referendum on EU, thus Cameron won a first Tory majority in years. All those who voted Tory in that election are accountable in my opinion.

I meant small fry as in slight corruption, not like total EU corruption. I take your point about NI getting the best of both worlds but can’t help feeling there’s more to all this than meets the eye.

Certainly more too Mays plan, there is so many references back to various EU legislations, it’s unreadable for me, in essence its 10s of thousands if hundred thousand pages long.

I’m thankful for Labour along with support from European Research group and DUP, forced May and her government to publish Attorney general legal advice on all things Brexit including this plan.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-government-secret-legal-advice-a8631991.html

Despite the other politics of these three, an unlikely alliance, this was good piece of parliamentary democracy. As i don’t think May is even listening to cabinet and is being solely advised by civil service and EU on Brexit.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

I took @Charlie Sweet post as a light hearted joke. I don't believe he was seriously suggesting that is the reason. Will be interesting to find out though...

It was of course a light-hearted comment. Understanding our history is very important and thank you I was a happy student of the subject at school @Joey66

My problem with Leave voters is that their argument for leaving generally always boils down to some intangible, indefinable idea that the UK is better off alone in the world and free to do as it pleases and stride confidently around the world exerting it's influence far and wide.

To me that's pure nostalgia and ignores all practical realities. It's born of an innate British arrogance that somehow, it's all the EU's fault and Britiain can do better acting in its pure self interest.

I've not seen any argument to dispute the idea that the UK will be poorer for at least the next 10 years.

A future trade deal with the EU will be worse than the one we have now. It cannot be anything but.

Then for the rest of the world are @peteblue et al really saying we will get a better deal with the likes of China, Japan and the US negotiating alone instead of part of a EU power block? That just doesn't make sense to me. And what are the compromises we'd accept with a right leaning Tory government negotiating those trade deals - sod the environment maybe? To hell with workers rights and minimum standards on food and services?

I've never had a problem with the EU. Of course it's not perfect but frankly.nothing is. Maybe I'm just too busy to dwell and get engrossed in nostalgic nationalism.

But finally - surely - when any debate has Farage, UKIP, the DUP and the right wing but jobs of the Tory party arguing passionately - surely it just has to be wrong?!?

 

[Khalekan]

Say we do not pay the divorce settlement if we head down a no deal road, do you think there would be no consequences if we do that? We signed up to pay x amount into the EU, there will be legal ramifications off the back of it. So our credit rating will likely drop as we are a country that doesn't keep to its obligations. We then likely pay more interest on the national debt, we probably would never be able to borrow money from European banks. We would face a whole continent that would have a valid reason for trying to financially ruin us and you can forget a nice free trade deal later on down the line.

Doesn't sound like a great deal to me.

Please stop clouding the issue with stone cold realities.

It doesn’t suit the narrative

 

[Khalekan]

I'm not being funny but we wouldn't be in this mess if the older generation didn't keep harping on about the second world war all the time!

Deep rooted distrust in Germany...

Spot on, Chuck.

There is a certain element in this country which is stuck in a time warp.

And most if them were not even born whilst the WWII was on.

I men, the likes of France and Belgium have much greater reason to “distrust” Germany than England does.

But oh no.....we are still rooted in 1940 and when dem Jeermins wuz bombing our chippy