Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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It was of course a light-hearted comment. Understanding our history is very important and thank you I was a happy student of the subject at school @Joey66

My problem with Leave voters is that their argument for leaving generally always boils down to some intangible, indefinable idea that the UK is better off alone in the world and free to do as it pleases and stride confidently around the world exerting it's influence far and wide.

To me that's pure nostalgia and ignores all practical realities. It's born of an innate British arrogance that somehow, it's all the EU's fault and Britiain can do better acting in its pure self interest.

I've not seen any argument to dispute the idea that the UK will be poorer for at least the next 10 years.

A future trade deal with the EU will be worse than the one we have now. It cannot be anything but.

Then for the rest of the world are @peteblue et al really saying we will get a better deal with the likes of China, Japan and the US negotiating alone instead of part of a EU power block? That just doesn't make sense to me. And what are the compromises we'd accept with a right leaning Tory government negotiating those trade deals - sod the environment maybe? To hell with workers rights and minimum standards on food and services?

I've never had a problem with the EU. Of course it's not perfect but frankly.nothing is. Maybe I'm just too busy to dwell and get engrossed in nostalgic nationalism.

But finally - surely - when any debate has Farage, UKIP, the DUP and the right wing but jobs of the Tory party arguing passionately - surely it just has to be wrong?!?
If being nastogical is just wanting independence outside Europe -that is not a fanatical thing 17.4 million people never thought so - the fanatics are the remoaners including the PM who has now signed us up as inside the EU for importunity - its harder to leave that part of the deal than sign article 57 - tell you what you can have a 2nd referendum with just two questions on that ballot paper 1 - sign up for the Maybot crap deal or 2 - leave the EU with no deal, and save billions.....
I know which one would win......... no 2
 
If being nastogical is just wanting independence outside Europe -that is not a fanatical thing 17.4 million people never thought so - the fanatics are the remoaners including the PM who has now signed us up as inside the EU for importunity - its harder to leave that part of the deal than sign article 57 - tell you what you can have a 2nd referendum with just two questions on that ballot paper 1 - sign up for the Maybot crap deal or 2 - leave the EU with no deal, and save billions.....
I know which one would win......... no 2

I don’t many how many times you’ve used remoaner in this thread you like it I presume because it’s not fact based just some kind of insult or at least you perceive it to be . I wish there was a word to describe arch Brexiteers like yourselves that doesn’t make you sound like dashing Elizabethan privateers . I love it when you say remoaner i feel like it makes all the complete gibberish you type make complete sense .
 
@Joey66 as a defender of democracy, how do you feel about my wife, and others like her, having their right to vote in local elections stripped from her?
As far as I know an EU national living in the UK for more than 5 years is entitled to citizenship - then again if it's anything like the lies that come out of Theresa may mouth it may not be spot on or lies like she stated we were leaving the EU not signed up for in perpetuity .....
someone LBC was complaining about finding it hard to get having citizens rights others saying it was easy?......
 
I don’t many how many times you’ve used remoaner in this thread you like it I presume because it’s not fact based just some kind of insult or at least you perceive it to be . I wish there was a word to describe arch Brexiteers like yourselves that doesn’t make you sound like dashing Elizabethan privateers . I love it when you say remoaner i feel like it makes all the complete gibberish you type make complete sense .
How about that ballot paper I proposed would you accept that as a 2nd peoples vote as we already voted on leave now on the question in the May way or out completely ?
 
As far as I know an EU national living in the UK for more than 5 years is entitled to citizenship - then again if it's anything like the lies that come out of Theresa may mouth it may not be spot on or lies like she stated we were leaving the EU not signed up for in perpetuity .....
someone LBC was complaining about finding it hard to get having citizens rights others saying it was easy?......
It's the EEA not the EU.
 
How about that ballot paper I proposed would you accept that as a 2nd peoples vote as we already voted on leave now on the question in the May way or out completely ?

If you ever read posts instead of just sharing your stream of consciousness I’ve never asked for a second vote . I know facts aren’t massively important to you so whatever .
 
If you ever read posts instead of just sharing your stream of consciousness I’ve never asked for a second vote . I know facts aren’t massively important to you so whatever .
The are facts vote for Mays crap deal or just vote leave with no deal...... that's the only questions I would want a 2nd ballot on - like you we have had on and it has been hijacked by the super rich remainers...... in power or funded by the rich......
 
The are facts vote for Mays crap deal or just vote leave with no deal...... that's the only questions I would want a 2nd ballot on - like you we have had on and it has been hijacked by the super rich remainers...... in power or funded by the rich......
You just can't admit you're wrong mate, you've too much riding on it emotionally.
 
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