Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

They are making the usual out of time done deal excuses yet the final way forwards was only five pages that keeps us tied to the EU .......

The lack of time is entirely down to the UK handing in its notice so you have only yourselves to blame for that. It would have been much wiser to wait until the withdrawal agreement was finalised before doing so.

Having spent 2 years getting to this point there is no way the EU will be willing to renegotiate the deal. What would to happen if you are not happy with the deal that the next PM gets ? Keep changing the leader until you get the deal you want ? I don't think so. This is crunch time and you now have to accept the terms agreed, back out of it completely, or abandon the whole Brexit project. I hope the UK chooses the latter.

 

[summerisle]

 

[peteblue]

I keep hearing EU leaders insisting we must accept the deal. We must therefore reject it.....

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

why would we want to remain in a corrupt union that mucks ( typo ) is up? Genuine question.

Corrupt is a strong accusation, but just wait and see the DUPs demands, then we can debate corruption!

 

[peteblue]

She is still insisting that she will be in charge of negotiations. Why ?, in what other sphere does the most senior person lead negotiations. There is no one to elevate disagreements to, no one to either blow up or calm down the situation. It’s like Chamberlain coming back with a piece of paper signed by one of Hitlers generals.....

 

[peteblue]

Telegraph....

“The EU-27 is looking to hard-wire British commitments on fishing, tax, the environment, social standards, security, transport and foreign policy into the negotiating boundaries of the future UK-EU trade agreement.
EU-27 governments are seeking “dynamic alignment” on those standards to ensure they keep up with Brussels over time, ensuring the UK is shackled to its red tape and preventing it from being more competitive than the bloc.”

 

[Tubey]

Telegraph....

“The EU-27 is looking to hard-wire British commitments on fishing, tax, the environment, social standards, security, transport and foreign policy into the negotiating boundaries of the future UK-EU trade agreement.
EU-27 governments are seeking “dynamic alignment” on those standards to ensure they keep up with Brussels over time, ensuring the UK is shackled to its red tape and preventing it from being more competitive than the bloc.”

Why would you expect anything different?

How are you surprised that the EU are looking after themselves over this?

You bizarrely expected them to bend over and give us whatever we wanted when we had no leverage whatsoever to demand it.

Delusional.

 

[peteblue]

Why would you expect anything different?

How are you surprised that the EU are looking after themselves over this?

You bizarrely expected them to bend over and give us whatever we wanted when we had no leverage whatsoever to demand it.

Delusional.

I’m not. They are doing what I expected. However I also expected our own government to at least represent the U.K...I see she has now appointed a complete unknown to the role of Brexit Secretary. Hands up anyone who has ever heard of him before...this has now gone beyond a joke, and is a deliberate undermining of U.K. interests.......

 

[Joey66]

I keep hearing EU leaders insisting we must accept the deal. We must therefore reject it.....

Heard a good summing up on the draft deal which our civil servants signed by Michael Portillo on BBC this week last night he compared it with the French signing the deal in the railway carriage after the invasion of the Germans 2nd world war a total humiliation - in the same forest of the armistice signed after the first word war - only that over this Brexit deal was similar our civil servants were blindfolded he stated in was brexit in name only - he analyses quite well as he forecast Theresa May getting on the plane in the late hours to go to Brussels on the Irish backstop deal she signed would be her downfall way back then...
He still thinks she will be gone by her party soon....... comparisons of Thatcher being overthrown as that deal will never get voted through parliment .....
the draft the divorce bill cannot be altered as its to good of a deal payment , and content wise.... also the main way forwards is only 5 pages ... and the divorce is stronger, and much harder than signing article 50 .......

 

[Joey66]

The lack of time is entirely down to the UK handing in its notice so you have only yourselves to blame for that. It would have been much wiser to wait until the withdrawal agreement was finalised before doing so.

Having spent 2 years getting to this point there is no way the EU will be willing to renegotiate the deal. What would to happen if you are not happy with the deal that the next PM gets ? Keep changing the leader until you get the deal you want ? I don't think so. This is crunch time and you now have to accept the terms agreed, back out of it completely, or abandon the whole Brexit project. I hope the UK chooses the latter.

The time now is till march the 29th thats 5 months away - refusing to change anything is typical EU , and a weak person in Theresa May........
all this may end up as no deal.......

 

[peteblue]

Heard a good summing up on the draft deal which our civil servants signed by Michael Portillo on BBC this week last night he compared it with the French signing the deal in the railway carriage after the invasion of the Germans 2nd world war a total humiliation - in the same forest of the armistice signed after the first word war - only that over this Brexit deal was similar our civil servants were blindfolded he stated in was brexit in name only - he analyses quite well as he forecast Theresa May getting on the plane in the late hours to go to Brussels on the Irish backstop deal she signed would be her downfall way back then...
He still thinks she will be gone by her party soon....... comparisons of Thatcher being overthrown as that deal will never get voted through parliment .....
the draft the divorce bill cannot be altered as its to good of a deal payment , and content wise.... also the main way forwards is only 5 pages ... and the divorce is stronger, and much harder than signing article 50 .......

I read that Joey, and I thought he was spot on......

 

[Tubey]

I’m not. They are doing what I expected. However I also expected our own government to at least represent the U.K...I see she has now appointed a complete unknown to the role of Brexit Secretary. Hands up anyone who has ever heard of him before...this has now gone beyond a joke, and is a deliberate undermining of U.K. interests.......

What's your alternative then mate, "no deal" yeah? What does "represent the UK" mean exactly?

Because as you've been told over and over again right from the start, the fact the EU aren't bending over on their enshrined principles is not a surprise. Yet you told me the EU needed us more than we needed them, so the trade deal would be easy and we just had to hold firm, because of German car industry. And that was, predictably, nonsense.

Do you really believe it would have made any difference if we had just stood stubbornly and refused to budge? Really though?

 

[peteblue]

What's your alternative then mate, "no deal" yeah? What does "represent the UK" mean exactly?

Because as you've been told over and over again right from the start, the fact the EU aren't bending over on their enshrined principles is not a surprise. Yet you told me the EU needed us more than we needed them, so the trade deal would be easy and we just had to hold firm, because of German car industry. And that was, predictably, nonsense.

Do you really believe it would have made any difference if we had just stood stubbornly and refused to budge? Really though?

Yes...

 

[peteblue]

Barclay, ex whip at the treasury. Hammond..”That’s my boy, just do as I tell you”......

 

[Joey66]

Great for May appointing a totally unknown Brexit secretary - he being told straight away he will play no part in the future negotiations.........
what does he do carry her handbag, and suitcase.......