Current Affairs EU In or Out

[dublinbluenose]

Well yes they went before. I just don't get the thinking. If I was involved in a negotiation that became too much for me (which is Johnson/Davis) and feel I couldn't influence it anymore. Or if I signed agreed a deal and then resigned saying it was awful I would pretty much expect to be leaving the company (certainly if it was a deal of anywhere near the relative importance of the Brexit trade offs).

Not in a million years would I then be whoring myself out all over the internet like these have that they could have done a better job. If they really fancied the job why didn't they step up for it when the opportunity was there? It's shambolic. I can understand why people vote for them, thats their look out. I can't understand how anyone who has conducted a job at any level above minimum wage with any degree of responsibility does though. Even a cursory understanding of business shows them up to be complete un utter jokers. You don't need to be Alan Sugar to see that.

Didn't Davis resign the day after he signed up to the Checkers deal ? And Johnson a day or so after ?

 

[degsy]

Anybody got the gist of the key points from this 585 page thing.

 

[abelard]

Anybody got the gist of the key points from this 550 page thing.

Things will basically stay the same, and Britain will continue paying the EU for the privilege, but we'll now have no influence over the rules we're compelled to follow.

This is considerably worse than the current arrangement, where we do have a say over EU regulation, but also considerably better than leaving without a deal, which would be an even greater economic disaster than the past 8 years of Tory rule.

This is also exactly what anyone paying attention has spent the past two years warning was likely to happen.

Well done boys.

 

[Neiler]

So whats the nations hope here lads?

If May goes someone else comes in and bamboozles the EU into a better deal? Is that at all likely?

or

Hard Brexit?

How do you see this playing out if May is a goner?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So whats the nations hope here lads?

If May goes someone else comes in and bamboozles the EU into a better deal? Is that at all likely?

or

Hard Brexit?

How do you see this playing out if May is a goner?

It's like on The Apprentice when they go into some shop and offer to sell 100 widgets for 10p, then try and sell them for 15p after they've shaken on the deal. I'd imagine the look of "where did you find these muppets" the shop keeper gives to the camera would be not dissimilar to that Barnier et al give on a regular basis.

 

[Number_25]

So whats the nations hope here lads?

If May goes someone else comes in and bamboozles the EU into a better deal? Is that at all likely?

or

Hard Brexit?

How do you see this playing out if May is a goner?

I don't know, but I'm slowly realising that I'm probably more of a Trotsykst than I thought I was - thanks, Dad.

 

[Number_25]

In seriousness, I really am enjoying the chaos.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What is interesting however is that, despite this deal largely being a turkey, it does nonetheless give the UK 'control of it's borders', which given the huge song and dance about being able to do just that from both politicians and leave voters, it baffles me why so few seem to have even referenced this, much less expressed any contentment with it.

 

[abelard]

In seriousness, I really am enjoying the chaos.

Same.

But I've also started applying for jobs overseas.

 

[Number_25]

Same.

But I've also started applying for jobs overseas.

I hold an Irish passport, so I'll be fine.

Utter shambles, all of it.

David Cameron deserves shooting.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What is interesting however is that, despite this deal largely being a turkey, it does nonetheless give the UK 'control of it's borders', which given the huge song and dance about being able to do just that from both politicians and leave voters, it baffles me why so few seem to have even referenced this, much less expressed any contentment with it.

And @Neiler, if anything, as the prospect of a trade deal is fleshed out more, this is likely to be up for debate, as we have to remember that the kind of market access enjoyed by Norway et al comes with free movement. We won't have one without the other, so if any bending is going to happen, it's likely to be in that direction.

 

[Number_25]

I really look forward to seeing Labour people on TV, speaking in condensending terms about the downfall of the Conservative Party.

"Look, I have fundamentally different views to the Conservative Party - but to see a time honoured institution fall apart in the manner... I take no enjoyment from it."

Delicious.

 

[Joey66]

Anybody got the gist of the key points from this 585 page thing.

Yes - burn it at the power stations at least some free electric.......

 

[Joey66]

I really look forward to seeing Labour people on TV, speaking in condensending terms about the downfall of the Conservative Party.

"Look, I have fundamentally different views to the Conservative Party - but to see a time honoured institution fall apart in the manner... I take no enjoyment from it."

Delicious.

If they were in a minority government they would have exactly same problem.....
They are split on another vote put of power........

 

[abelard]

If they were in a minority government they would have exactly same problem.....

That is a cogent point, Joseph

Extraordinary times, these.