Current Affairs EU In or Out

[hullefc]

Absolute scenes on the Andrew Marr show this morning. Nicola Sturgeon just got eviscerated for saying "There are no rules regarding an Article 50 departure."

Yes there are you buffoon. They're in the Article 50 text!

"Here is what is spelled out explicitly in Article 50:

A government must trigger the article by officially notifying the EU of its intention to leave. Then there is a two-year period in which the terms of the leaver’s exit are negotiated. During this time Britain would no longer be able to take part in any EU decision-making, and any exit agreements must be approved by all 27 remaining EU nations and the European Parliament. Then after Britain’s formal exit, fresh negotiations can begin on any new trade deals.

But crucially, there is no timescale or mention of when to trigger Article 50 after a referendum, leaving many politicians worried about a long period of uncertainty".

Boris et al can table a motion in parliament tomorrow that can force the government to notify the EU about its intention to leave. By the end of Monday they can send that to the EU telling them that the UK are leaving. It is interesting that they are nowhere to be seen leading from the front to inform the people of this country about how, and when they are going to invoke article 50. Their silence is very informative.

 

[Dymak]

Just found out that I can get an Irish passport, lool.

 

[dholliday]

we've voted for a recession and a more right wing Tory party in charge.

Just... weird.

Another perspective: we've voted for accountability and stability.

Not everyone automatically demonises the Tories, there's a reason many millions, including many in the working class, consistently vote for them.

I was at a dinner once where someone said "think of the 20 brightest people you know and how many of them are politicians?" At the time I thought it was an arrogant statement but given how the country has been managed probably going back as far as the end of the Wilson government and I think there's a point.

Weve elected lightweights for many years because that's all that politics can attract. We're now suffering the consequences.

UK politics is much more focussed on the personality and their tribalism than German politics. This may be in part thanks to how the media cover it, but it's the people who lap it up. As a result the average IQ of senior politicians in a position of influence probably differs from their German counterparts.

Not that I'm saying the German political make-up is necessarily better...it has its own issues. But this sort of stuff is surely better suited to a comedy night at your local:

 

[davies1878]

Do people seriously think Corbyn voted to remain because I don't

He has never been Pro EU.


Good principled politician if stuck on the back benches but unfortunately has never grasped the idea of leadership and the compromise and sometimes sacrifice that comes with it, His ideals just don't work in modern politics.

 

[Tubey]

Absolute scenes on the Andrew Marr show this morning. Nicola Sturgeon just got eviscerated for saying "There are no rules regarding an Article 50 departure."

Yes there are you buffoon. They're in the Article 50 text!

There are no concrete legal rules. She's right.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

No, because whoever replaces them will be either just as bad or worse.

Proves my point

 

[Neiler]

So 1 (One!) Post Office out of around 14,500 in the UK have run out of Irish passport application forms, and the Mirror deem this a news worthy story?

I think it was four mate. Loling at the cue around the street corner.

 

[Groucho]

Like a boot stamping on a human face forever.

Welcome to your world.

Do you need a safe space snowflake?

Wouldn't surprise me to see you operating a gas chamber if I'm honest.

Steady on lads.

 

[dholliday]

Do people seriously think Corbyn voted to remain because I don't

He has never been Pro EU.


Good principled politician if stuck on the back benches but unfortunately has never grasped the idea of leadership and the compromise and sometimes sacrifice that comes with it, His ideals just don't work in modern politics.

Corbyn missed a hell of a trick by not sticking to his original anti-EU principles and leading the Brexit campaign as Leader of the Opposition. He would've been a shoe-in at an early General Election.

 

[roydo]

Corbyn missed a hell of a trick by not sticking to his original anti-EU principles and leading the Brexit campaign as Leader of the Opposition. He would've been a shoe-in at an early General Election.

Whats the reaction over there mate?

 

[catcherintherye]

Institutions fail because of the quality (or lack of) their management. They make poor decisions based on innacurate information and poor strategic thinking.

As a nation we are inheriting the consequences of years of poor management from our politicians.

I was at a dinner once where someone said "think of the 20 brightest people you know and how many of them are politicians?" At the time I thought it was an arrogant statement but given how the country has been managed probably going back as far as the end of the Wilson government and I think there's a point.

Weve elected lightweights for many years because that's all that politics can attract. We're now suffering the consequences.

There is a chronic lack of leadership. I think this is partly why the SNP have done so well in Scotland, say what you will about them but Salmond and now Sturgeon are a real cut above.

I do think this is partly down to neo-liberalism too though. Parties have moved increasingly further away from their vote basis and become increasingly scornful towards the majority of people they represent. Good leadership is a 2 way process. Teaching people but also learning from their experiences.

Unfortunately post Wilson (particularly from 1979 onwards) Britain has become an increasingly unequal society and we are really seeing the consequences of that in terms of marginalisation of areas and communities. Politicians increasingly resemble the have's and their interests over the interests of most people. If you view it from that perspective, you would have to say they have shown clear vision. Thatcher and Blair in particular were very effective at this. Sometimes you have to ask though, is it the administration that is the problem, or is it what they are trying to administer.

My own take, we have a broad strategy that damages most people but we have also lost politicians capable of punching that through in a skilled manner. What it leads to is a volatile situation which we now currently have.

 

[catcherintherye]

Corbyn missed a hell of a trick by not sticking to his original anti-EU principles and leading the Brexit campaign as Leader of the Opposition. He would've been a shoe-in at an early General Election.

I think he probably would have been but there is absolutely no way the Labour Party and big business would have allowed that.

 

[dholliday]

Whats the reaction over there mate?

Depends on the background, mostly. Multi-national educated cultured types are shocked and a bit concerned, whereas the working-class born 'n bred local congratulates the Brexiters and hopes for a referendum too.

Then there's a few like myself who believed the EU were showing signs of a fundamental totalitarianism and the UK voting out was the most natural way to make them reform, as the UK is culturally, geographically and currency-wise already quite separate.

For if they don't, we may see a domino effect, unless of course the UK government somehow manage to not follow through on the referendum's result.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I agree. I do think there's a young v old issue in the referendum

When I went for the paper this morning I heard a couple of fella's of a certain age chatting to the fella who was serving, they were saying that they voted yes when we first joined up, but ended regretting it because they felt betrayed, because the direction it ended up heading was not what they voted for.

 

[The Mighty Quint]

Shows what a feeble little weasel Osborne is though, crap hits the fan on Friday and he's nowhere to be seen.