Current Affairs EU In or Out

[dandydan]

If you keep shouting "racist little englander" at anyone who questions the status quo eventually they'll stop caring about being branded as such. This is what Brexit happened also why your going to see Trump in the White House.

 

[Ratkiller]

The Tories have just spent months ripping each other apart, yet Labour are the party looking most likely to fracture and fall apart.

Staggering levels of incompetence, whichever way you look at it.

Or the labour party actually becoming the party it should be. Staying true to its core socialist principles and getting rid of the people who subscribe to the Tony Blair way of doing things.

Everything is very short term these days. There's often a bigger picture.

 

[dholliday]

Everything is very short term these days. There's often a bigger picture.

One theory is that the Referendum was the key part of a Tory long-game to secure power over the next decades:

allow the referendum knowing if it goes Brexit then Scotland will want, and this time get, their independence (so that they can rejoin the EU). With no Labour heartland in Scotland, LibDems considerably weakened and Wales insisting on their Plaid Cymru, we may be left with a Tory/UKip coalition for the foreseeable future.

 

[Tubey]

Never actually considered this, but it makes sense.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244

Sturgeon is so far beyond any politician in England it's frightening. She's not even brilliant, but she's good enough that she makes everyone else look terrible by comparison.

 

[The Mighty Quint]

http://www.newschicken.com/british-...ey-boasts-roma-migrant/#.V2kLspd1s9Q.facebook

 

[dandydan]

I think he probably would have been but there is absolutely no way the Labour Party and big business would have allowed that.

Which shows Labour need a major purge and fast if they want to keep what's left of the working class vote.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Never actually considered this, but it makes sense.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244

Sturgeon is so far beyond any politician in England it's frightening. She's not even brilliant, but she's good enough that she makes everyone else look terrible by comparison.

It would appear Sturgeon wants to ignore, and potentially break, a democratic process when it does not suit her. She is now showing herself to be a self-obsessed politician. It was known BEFORE the Scottish referendum, that a referendum on the UK's position in the EU was to be held. That vote went against Scotland leaving the UK (i.e. against what she wanted). Now the UK/EU referendum has gone against what she wanted.

I now see her as using her position to get what she wants, without reference to the democratic process in place. That democratic process included Scotland, hence why they were able to vote (yes I know, a statement of the bleedin' obvious!). But she is now dispaying a remarkably undemocratic stance because she was on the side of the team that came second.

Disgraceful...

 

[Tubey]

It would appear Sturgeon wants to ignore, and potentially break, a democratic process when it does not suit her. She is now showing herself to be a self-obsessed politician. It was known BEFORE the Scottish referendum, that a referendum on the UK's position in the EU was to be held. That vote went against Scotland leaving the UK (i.e. against what she wanted). Now the UK/EU referendum has gone against what she wanted.

I now see her as using her position to get what she wants, without reference to the democratic process in place. That democratic process included Scotland, hence why they were able to vote (yes I know, a statement of the bleedin' obvious!). But she is now dispaying a remarkably undemocratic stance because she was on the side of the team that came second.

Disgraceful...

First, Scotland never wanted the referendum.

Second, Scotland voted against it.

Third, she's Scotland's First Minister, so Scotland is her remit, so she has to represent the will of the Scottish people.

There's nothing disgraceful about it. Indeed, if she said any different and I were a Scot, I'd be fuming.

Scotland now require independence; if we leave the EU, it's right they get it. It would not surprise me that Scotland seceding from the Union will be voluntarily done by the Johnson government ahead of Brexit.

 

[Mrk]

Or the labour party actually becoming the party it should be. Staying true to its core socialist principles and getting rid of the people who subscribe to the Tony Blair way of doing things.

Everything is very short term these days. There's often a bigger picture.

Listen, if the Labour party wants to become a principled yet completely unelectable 'socialist' political party, you won't have any complaints from liberal-minded people like myself - however, personally, I'd think the working people in the UK that Labour proclaim to stand up for deserve more than a political party more interested in mimicking a student debating society rather than an effective and strong opposition.

 

[Ratkiller]

One theory is that the Referendum was the key part of a Tory long-game to secure power over the next decades:

allow the referendum knowing if it goes Brexit then Scotland will want, and this time get, their independence (so that they can rejoin the EU). With no Labour heartland in Scotland, LibDems considerably weakened and Wales insisting on their Plaid Cymru, we may be left with a Tory/UKip coalition for the foreseeable future.

I think they've been playing that game for a while. They made sure they divided the United Kingdom first. Pitch the people against each other.
People get their backs up because the Scottish are getting things we don't , university fees are a big bone of contention for instance.

I said it beforehand, Johnson etc have no intention of leaving. I'm expecting some sort of renegotiation.

Not over by a long shot this.

 

[Joey66]

Never actually considered this, but it makes sense.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244

Sturgeon is so far beyond any politician in England it's frightening. She's not even brilliant, but she's good enough that she makes everyone else look terrible by comparison.

See how she performs if we remove the Barnet formula funds - bust in 6 months!

 

[Tubey]

See how she performs if we remove the Barnet formula funds - bust in 6 months!

Agree, but if the Scots want to leave and want to stay in the EU, so be it. It's their bed, let them lie in it.

I have no problem whatsoever with them expressing their views, and given they backed staying in the UK largely on the basis of staying in Europe, then common sense says they should have a second referendum based on the new status quo. It'd be the same thing if we voted Remain and the EU wanted a treaty change - another referendum would be the right outcome.

 

[dandydan]

Has corbyn been our dark knight all along?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36633238
And documents passed to the BBC suggest Jeremy Corbyn's office sought to delay and water down the Labour Remain campaign. Sources suggest that they are evidence of "deliberate sabotage".

 

[Ratkiller]

Listen, if the Labour party wants to become a principled yet completely unelectable 'socialist' political party, you won't have any complaints from liberal-minded people like myself - however, personally, I'd think the working people in the UK that Labour proclaim to stand up for deserve more than a political party more interested in mimicking a student debating society rather than an effective and strong opposition.

Thanks for your input.

But the labour party I want doesn't just stick up for working people. It sticks up for everyone.

 

[big bobs beard]

Can't we just tow Britain down the coast a bit and join the African Union? Weather would be warmer, we would be loaded compared to our new friends and could even win the African Nations Cup. Everybody happy.