Current Affairs EU In or Out

[BirkenheadBlue]

Interesting insight that.

Hope that actually happens, and the message sent to Brussels might mean some positive changes. But maybe not!

As I said, almost certainly wishful thinking. But it is interesting that the leave leaders are so conspicuously quiet.

 

[Librarian]

 

[Toffeelover]

One could argue that the consequences of staying in the EU would be even worse than that twitter comment.

 

[roydo]

Does anyone else think that some people have taken a peek over the cliff that leaving would actually mean, and dont like what they see below?

Regardless of how they actually voted.

 

[Blue 1]

Just laughing at leavers moaning at remainers for signing a petition calling for a second referendum that was started by a leaver in case remain won.

What a mess this all is.

 

[1966efc]

Does anyone else think that some people have taken a peek over the cliff that leaving would actually mean, and dont like what they see below?

Regardless of how they actually voted.

Same could be said of any General Election.

 

[roydo]

Same could be said of any General Election.

Not really. In fact not at all.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

I'll preface this by saying I don't think there'll be a second referendum... but one thing I don't understand is why the Leave people are so scared of a second referendum...

If they honestly believe that it's the will of the people, then the result will be the same, and their mandate will be even stronger.

Of course, if they believe that a load of people have been deceived by lies which have now been exposed and admitted as such, or that an electorate better educated on the possible/potential/likely outcomes would no longer side with them... then I guess I can see their problem

 

[1966efc]

Not really. In fact not at all.

Why?

 

[mcsven]

That Guardian comment is getting widespread attention, but in reality I think it's also possible to look at Cameron's non-invocation as a real opportunity. Don't forget that Boris' original position was that this referendum would only be the start of a renegotiation with the EU - and that only a "no" vote would get the attention of EU leaders such that a true discussion over changing terms can take place.

I don't think it's outwith the realms of feasibility that, behind closed doors, our leaders could talk to Merkel and co and get a promise to have a new treaty that aims to return some sovereignty to member states (not the UK alone, but everyone) - and a permanent delay to the triggering of Article 50 would pass parliament. In the meantime - we stay in, and nothing changes.

 

[Gladystweet]

Does anyone else think that some people have taken a peek over the cliff that leaving would actually mean, and dont like what they see below?

Regardless of how they actually voted.

Honestly mate, no. The only thing I regret is the bickering, it was nasty in the run up, and it's even worse in the aftermath. I voted out, it's done, the thought of people wanting another bash because they lost is a bit worrying in my opinion. I want both parties to get their act together, we need a strong government now and an equally strong opposition, whoever is in power.

 

[Toffeelover]

I voted to leave, yes I held concerns over immigration and would have liked this to be more controlled, held concerns over the economy as well.

However my principal reason for my vote was the reinstatement of parliamentary democracy and a fully responsible, accountable elected government.

The way forward to me is:-

Reduce corporation tax to 10% that should encourage business relocation and investment.

Reduce business rates and stamp duty

Take 2% of the rate of income tax

Increase the personal tax allowance by 10%

This would instil activity into our economy..

 

[Ratkiller]

I'll preface this by saying I don't think there'll be a second referendum... but one thing I don't understand is why the Leave people are so scared of a second referendum...

If they honestly believe that it's the will of the people, then the result will be the same, and their mandate will be even stronger.

Of course, if they believe that a load of people have been deceived by lies which have now been exposed and admitted as such, or that an electorate better educated on the possible/potential/likely outcomes would no longer side with them... then I guess I can see their problem

I'd like to know how you can say people are scared of a second referendum?

 

[roydo]

Why?

The finality of actually leaving. The potential chaos it could cause.

And no way back.

It is extremely rare that a General Election creates that sort of change/totally unknown outcomes/chaos. And if it did, then it is unlikely that whoever caused it would be voted back in 5 years time.

So quite a bit different really.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

That Guardian comment is getting widespread attention, but in reality I think it's also possible to look at Cameron's non-invocation as a real opportunity. Don't forget that Boris' original position was that this referendum would only be the start of a renegotiation with the EU - and that only a "no" vote would get the attention of EU leaders such that a true discussion over changing terms can take place.

I don't think it's outwith the realms of feasibility that, behind closed doors, our leaders could talk to Merkel and co and get a promise to have a new treaty that aims to return some sovereignty to member states (not the UK alone, but everyone) - and a permanent delay to the triggering of Article 50 would pass parliament. In the meantime - we stay in, and nothing changes.

That's what I hope will happen to be honest.

After all, this referendum was based on do you want to remain in the EU under the currently negotiated terms.

If new terms are offered, the mandate for leaving is no longer valid.