Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Mrk]

Thanks for your input.

But the labour party I want doesn't just stick up for working people. It sticks up for everyone.

Well that's a noble idea - sadly, Labour currently sicks up for nobody. Looks that might change soon though, thankfully.

 

[Joey66]

Agree, but if the Scots want to leave and want to stay in the EU, so be it. It's their bed, let them lie in it.

I have no problem whatsoever with them expressing their views, and given they backed staying in the UK largely on the basis of staying in Europe, then common sense says they should have a second referendum based on the new status quo. It'd be the same thing if we voted Remain and the EU wanted a treaty change - another referendum would be the right outcome.

Forget another referendrum for her power force the next prime minister just needs to tell her do you want our funds or do you want independence make your mind up why should bear the cost of her power ego ?
Tell her straight go it alone or get in line end of we should not be dictated to by a population of 4 million and oh how much is a barrel of oil nowadays?

 

[Tubey]

Forget another referendrum for her power force the next prime minister just needs to tell her do you want our funds or do you want independence make your mind up why should bear the cost of her power ego ?
Tell her straight go it alone or get in line end of we should not be dictated to by a population of 4 million and oh how much is a barrel of oil nowadays?

I think that's exactly what will happen - as said before, I think the Johnson government will simply give Scotland the secession from the UK. It's amazing, but it's the only outcome I can think of that makes sense, as a new referendum would both deliver uncertainty and be absolutely obvious in the outcome.

 

[Ratkiller]

Has corbyn been our dark knight all along?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36633238
And documents passed to the BBC suggest Jeremy Corbyn's office sought to delay and water down the Labour Remain campaign. Sources suggest that they are evidence of "deliberate sabotage".

Jeremy corbyn is a swivel eyed racist. Who'd have thunk it.lol

 

[hullefc]

Second EU Referendum Petition Started By Leave Voter William Oliver Healey

 

[Milk]

Forget another referendrum for her power force the next prime minister just needs to tell her do you want our funds or do you want independence make your mind up why should bear the cost of her power ego ?
Tell her straight go it alone or get in line end of we should not be dictated to by a population of 4 million and oh how much is a barrel of oil nowadays?

Wee Jimmy Krankie (AKA The Sturgeon) is now threatening a veto to stop Brexit.

Looks like she's trying to force a break up of the Union ...... to which I believe we should all be allowed to vote on & not just the sweaties

 

[Joey66]

Second EU Referendum Petition Started By Leave Voter William Oliver Healey

Won't happen the people have voted are we a banana republic?

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Assume that theory about Cameron completely stitching up Johnson by resigning before invoking article 50 has been posted on here?

 

[Tubey]

Well that's a noble idea - sadly, Labour currently sicks up for nobody. Looks that might change soon though, thankfully.

Come on now, that's not true... it sticks up for student union politics clubs and far left worker unions leaders. That's a good... 50,000 people or so, I dunno.

It's a start!

 

[roydo]

Assume that theory about Cameron completely stitching up Johnson by resigning before invoking article 50 has been posted on here?

Havnt seen it mate. Stick it up.

 

[hullefc]

Won't happen the people have voted are we a banana republic?

Nigel Farage: Narrow win for Remain could justify second EU referendum
Written by:

• Josh May

Posted On:
17th May 2016
Nigel Farage has said a close victory for Remain in next month’s EU referendum would convince him to campaign for a re-run of the vote.

Caption:
Nigel Farage is the first major Leave campaigner to open the door to a second referendum
Credit:
PA Images
Mr Farage told the Daily Mirror a four-point margin in favour of staying in the EU would amount to “unfinished business”.

The Ukip leader’s comments are the first time a senior figure on the Leave side has opened the door to demanding a second referendum if the result is close.

Vote Leave furious as David Cameron and Nigel Farage sign up to ITV referendum event
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He said: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”

Polls continue to show a mixed picture about the state of the contest.

An ORB survey for the Telegraph implies a strong lead of 15% for the Remain side, an ICM poll for the Guardian gives an 10% lead for Remain, but a separate online poll suggested Leave ahead by four points.

Mr Farage was bullish about the prospects of a vote to leave, however, saying he expected Brexit supporters to be more likely to turn out.

He said: “Yes, we’re going to win! What I really think is the unending whine of Cameron negativity is turning people off voting, all this Doomsday stuff.

“This referendum will come down to who has the passion and beliefs to go to the local primary school and put a cross on a piece of paper.”

In an analysis piece accompanying the ORB poll, Conservative strategist Sir Lynton Crosby said the Leave campaign trailed Remain on who had been heard from the most in the referendum debate.

He referred to Vote Leave’s furious response to ITV inviting Mr Farage to be on the same referendum programme as David Cameron as evidence of a lost message.

“It needs to dramatically step up its efforts if it is to reach, retain and motivate its supporters before polling day,” Sir Lynton wrote.

“Perhaps some of those behind the scenes of the Leave campaign should spend less time arguing about whether Nigel Farage should have a TV platform and more time finding and delivering a clearer and simpler message in support of their case. Something which seems missing as they get bogged down in process stories.”

And around May the 'new referendum vote petition was started'. Very banana republic.

 

[Tubey]

Assume that theory about Cameron completely stitching up Johnson by resigning before invoking article 50 has been posted on here?

Haven't heard it, but can't see how - in the event of a Leave vote, Cameron had absolutely no choice but to resign on the spot.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Havnt seen it mate. Stick it up.

Most likely wishful thinking, but:

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legislation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-manoeuvred and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

 

[Joey66]

Nigel Farage: Narrow win for Remain could justify second EU referendum
Written by:

• Josh May

Posted On:
17th May 2016
Nigel Farage has said a close victory for Remain in next month’s EU referendum would convince him to campaign for a re-run of the vote.

Caption:
Nigel Farage is the first major Leave campaigner to open the door to a second referendum
Credit:
PA Images
Mr Farage told the Daily Mirror a four-point margin in favour of staying in the EU would amount to “unfinished business”.

The Ukip leader’s comments are the first time a senior figure on the Leave side has opened the door to demanding a second referendum if the result is close.

Vote Leave furious as David Cameron and Nigel Farage sign up to ITV referendum event
Nigel Farage: Leave campaign has 'fundamental problems'
Nigel Farage: Global political class is clubbing together against Brexit
He said: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”

Polls continue to show a mixed picture about the state of the contest.

An ORB survey for the Telegraph implies a strong lead of 15% for the Remain side, an ICM poll for the Guardian gives an 10% lead for Remain, but a separate online poll suggested Leave ahead by four points.

Mr Farage was bullish about the prospects of a vote to leave, however, saying he expected Brexit supporters to be more likely to turn out.

He said: “Yes, we’re going to win! What I really think is the unending whine of Cameron negativity is turning people off voting, all this Doomsday stuff.

“This referendum will come down to who has the passion and beliefs to go to the local primary school and put a cross on a piece of paper.”

In an analysis piece accompanying the ORB poll, Conservative strategist Sir Lynton Crosby said the Leave campaign trailed Remain on who had been heard from the most in the referendum debate.

He referred to Vote Leave’s furious response to ITV inviting Mr Farage to be on the same referendum programme as David Cameron as evidence of a lost message.

“It needs to dramatically step up its efforts if it is to reach, retain and motivate its supporters before polling day,” Sir Lynton wrote.

“Perhaps some of those behind the scenes of the Leave campaign should spend less time arguing about whether Nigel Farage should have a TV platform and more time finding and delivering a clearer and simpler message in support of their case. Something which seems missing as they get bogged down in process stories.”

And around May the 'new referendum vote petition was started'. Very banana republic.

Farage is not a member of the government, he has one MP the way people are going against the will of the out vote this may increase, I feel because it was a close vote the losing side will be considered in negations to have a rerun is utter rediculous IMO!

 

[roydo]

Most likely wishful thinking, but:

Interesting insight that.

Hope that actually happens, and the message sent to Brussels might mean some positive changes. But maybe not!