Current Affairs EU In or Out

[BirkenheadBlue]

I'd like to know how you can say people are scared of a second referendum?

The majority of comments (not just here) any time the idea is mooted?

 

[The Mighty Quint]

A lot of bad losers about...

 

[mcsven]

The trick will be keeping calm and holding our nerve.

I am not worried about the clamour for us to get on with it - the Europeans have no legal way of forcing us to trigger Article 50.

What's more difficult to handle is the opportunistic way the SNP are reacting...

 

[bring the ghost on]

one thing I don't understand is why the Leave people are so scared of a second referendum...

"that £350m to the NHS, yeah, didn't mean that"

"recession? No biggie, we were probably gonna have another one at some point anyway"

As you say, the shameless manner in which the Leave campaigners have flipped the V's to the people they led astray is astonishing.

 

[Toffeelover]

I'd like to know how you can say people are scared of a second referendum?

If that did not work out no doubt there would be calls for a third referendum ad infinitum.

 

[ToffeeTim]

The idea that we can somehow vote out, then actually stay with just reforms is utter nonsense.

In order to get a workable EU and the reforms needed, the current EU needs to be completely dismantled and broken up first. Then we can get a proper trade based European community.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

So the Guardian's idea of democracy is for us to keep holding referendums until we reach the "correct" decision?! What kind of person are would advocate such flagrant disregard of a legitimate vote. Quite astonishing how quickly people are prepared to throw away democracy because they don't get their way.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Jean Claude Juncker is a monumental bellend.

His fuming is superb scenes.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

"that £350m to the NHS, yeah, didn't mean that"

"recession? No biggie, we were probably gonna have another one at some point anyway"

As you say, the shameless manner in which the Leave campaigners have flipped the V's to the people they led astray is astonishing.

Don't forget "oh well it's unlikely immigration will change a great deal in the long run"

Anyone who looked into those claims knew they were BS, but I kinda assumed they'd stick to them a little longer than 7.30am on the morning after the vote.

 

[Old Blue 2]

First, Scotland never wanted the referendum.

Second, Scotland voted against it.

Third, she's Scotland's First Minister, so Scotland is her remit, so she has to represent the will of the Scottish people.

There's nothing disgraceful about it. Indeed, if she said any different and I were a Scot, I'd be fuming.

Scotland now require independence; if we leave the EU, it's right they get it. It would not surprise me that Scotland seceding from the Union will be voluntarily done by the Johnson government ahead of Brexit.

First, Scotland was and still is part of the UK. SO they are party to any UK decision. That includes the decision to hold a referendum.

Second, Scotland's vote was only a part of the whole of the UK vote. The rule of democracy is to abide by the majority vote. End of.

Third, not in dispute, but she is Scotland's First Minister within the overall ambit of the UK. She may want to play the tough guy(ess), but she also needs to be aware of her overall place in the major game.

I think she is presently being disingenuous about the ramifications for Scotland if they were to try to enter the EU on their own. For starters, they may not even be accepted...

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

So the Guardian's idea of democracy is for us to keep holding referendums until we reach the "correct" decision?! What kind of person are would advocate such flagrant disregard of a legitimate vote. Quite astonishing how quickly people are prepared to throw away democracy because they don't get their way.

When the initial vote was based in a significant part on now acknowledged fabrications? I don't think it's unreasonable that a lot of people are feeling more than a little misled, do you?

 

[1966efc]

The finality of actually leaving. The potential chaos it could cause.

And no way back.

It is extremely rare that a General Election creates that sort of change/totally unknown outcomes/chaos. And if it did, then it is unlikely that whoever caused it would be voted back in 5 years time.

So quite a bit different really.

The referendum was called by an Act of Parliament (as with a G E).

During the campaign, the leader of the Remain camp made it more than clear on a number of occasions that it was the final word on the issue as far as he was concerned - very similar to a manifesto platform ... "Elect us & this is what you get".

Elections can (and have been) very, very close.

The finality of the decision is questionable. If one of the parties were to promise a re - run during an election campaign, another referendum could be held if another Act of Parliament were to be passed. Much as a government with a tiny majority in the Commons could be overthrown or found it impossible to govern) and a repeat election called (Feb & Oct 74).

As with an election any reversal would be enacted by law - not carried out outside the law simply because some malcontents tweeted their displeasure with the result.

Disclosure: I don't give a hoot about the result. It's the nonsense on the media that irritates me.

 

[Librarian]

they're a joiners fee if you want back in...

 

[The Mighty Quint]

It's a lot of panic over nothing, the EU needs to trade with us as much as we need to do so with them, German CBI has already said they want nothing to change with regards to trade, they want a free trade agreement with us.

German businesses and it's PM have our back on this and the German's hold the main power in Europe, the UK is a massive portion of sales for countries like Germany, France, Italy etc...

3 days on and numpties wetting the bed asking for another vote because we are doomed apparently, it will be the best thing we've ever done, you need to make your own laws, you need to have control of your borders, we are nothing but being made mugs of while we've been in the EU.

 

[Toffeelover]

Jean Claude Juncker is a monumental bellend.

His fuming is superb scenes.

Juncker never liked us at all partly because we did not support him for EU President. The problem for himand his cronies are that the UK vote has upset their little apple cart. They now have to weigh up the EU finances. The loss of the UK contribution will leave a big hole in the finances which will have to addressed. Only two ways increase other countries level of funding or cut spending. The other problem for them is this could jeopardise the further expansion of the EU, Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo and Bosnia. In the wake of the UK vote, Juncker is calling for increased integration and is thus ignoring the widespread feeling in the EU of the people for further control.