Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Tubey]

The attitude has always been the same I think, it's just the world used to submit to us. Not anymore.

Maybe in the colonial era, but I'm talking about the post-war Britain, the one that devised the NHS, devolved the Commonwealth and had international social conscience.

All that completely gone. Everything we've done well in the last 50 years has been painted as toxic, and I can't understand why.

 

[bizzaro]

I said before the vote I was alarmed at how nasty, arrogant, insular and small minded the UK had become. That's definitely the case.

What happened to the brilliant small island country that took on the world and looked to shape it?

It's pretty much civil war.

Politically speaking.

Young versus old.

Scotland versus England and most of Wales

Etc.

 

[bizzaro]

I said before the vote I was alarmed at how nasty, arrogant, insular and small minded the UK had become. That's definitely the case.

What happened to the brilliant small island country that took on the world and looked to shape it?

Do you know anyone who voted leave in your family?

 

[Tubey]

Do you know anyone who voted leave in your family?

Yes. All of them.

 

[Elong]

Maybe in the colonial era, but I'm talking about the post-war Britain, the one that devised the NHS, devolved the Commonwealth and had international social conscience.

All that completely gone. Everything we've done well in the last 50 years has been painted as toxic, and I can't understand why.

I think those colonial views are or were still around up until quite late. It shows how far from the tree the country has fallen when there's worldwide condemnation of the decision, not admiration for trying something different and going it alone.

 

[bizzaro]

Yes. All of them.

Did you?

 

[Lionel Naismith]

Boris Johnson ffs

 

[Neiler]

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/post-office-runs-out-irish-8284576

 

[Tubey]

Did you?

No.

All I will say is that my view is that they were generally misinformed about what was going on, and voted for reasons a lot of people in Kirkby and Knowsley would have done. They're by and large (not all) not interested in the nitty gritty of politics, and basically have views akin to tabloid headlines rather than reasoned opinion.

There are social problems that need redressing in the UK - for example, in Kensington, where about half the population seem to be African and social cohesion barely exists. I'm the first to note that multiculturalism needs refining. However, people seemed to think voting out of the EU would change that, when it had nothing to do with it.

 

[bizzaro]

No.

All I will say is that my view is that they were generally misinformed about what was going on, and voted for reasons a lot of people in Kirkby and Knowsley would have done. They're by and large (not all) not interested in the nitty gritty of politics, and basically have views akin to tabloid headlines rather than reasoned opinion.

There are social problems that need redressing in the UK - for example, in Kensington, where about half the population seem to be African and social cohesion barely exists. I'm the first to note that multiculturalism needs refining. However, people seemed to think voting out of the EU would change that, when it had nothing to do with it.

I agree. I do think there's a young v old issue in the referendum

The old bought by lies of £350m a week and so on into the NHS. Etc.

That leave have admitted was subsequently untrue.

 

[JLW]

I said before the vote I was alarmed at how nasty, arrogant, insular and small minded the UK had become. That's definitely the case.

What happened to the brilliant small island country that took on the world and looked to shape it?

The EU destroyed it mate that's what happened

 

[ToffeeDoug]

Boris Johnson isn't prime minister yet.

Equally the queen has royal prerogitive

She could easily tell the parties she will not sign anything into law based on a 48.9% and 52% split and a < 75% turnout

I kid ye not.

This thing is not over yet.

If the turnout had got to 75% would the margin not have been bigger? It would be an interesting analysis to try to assess how the 28% who didn't vote would have voted?

 

[bizzaro]

The EU destroyed it mate that's what happened

That's so totally untrue.

 

[Brennan]

The EU destroyed it mate that's what happened

lol

Jesus wept

 

[hullefc]

Maybe in the colonial era, but I'm talking about the post-war Britain, the one that devised the NHS, devolved the Commonwealth and had international social conscience.

All that completely gone. Everything we've done well in the last 50 years has been painted as toxic, and I can't understand why.

If you find it difficult to understand the reasons why, then doesn't that go some way to beginning to understand why a chunk of the working class fell for the 'milk and honey promised land' and rationalised it around the 'blame game''take 'our' country back' etc..

The post 1945 agreement - the state will look after you from cradle to grave - has been ruthlessly smash and left some people feeling that they have no hope, no future. And along comes Boris et al and promise them 'milk and honey promised land' hope and they fell for it. But they will not be able to deliver the 'milk and honey'.