Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Seanjd]

I think you're the one being naive in assuming everyone who voted leave is a UKIP-voting immigrant hater.

The vote options were fundamentally flawed. There are so many people who absolutely did not want to leave but were not prepared to give a vote of confidence to the present EU with no promise of reform. It's way bigger than immigration and to tar all Leavers with that brush is rather offensive, frankly.

Cut out the hyperbole, I've never said that everyone who voted leave is a UKIP voting immigrant hater. What a ridiculous statement.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I think you're the one being naive in assuming everyone who voted leave is a UKIP-voting immigrant hater.

The vote options were fundamentally flawed. There are so many people who absolutely did not want to leave but were not prepared to give a vote of confidence to the present EU with no promise of reform. It's way bigger than immigration and to tar all Leavers with that brush is rather offensive, frankly.

Yea I'm certain in my mind that if there was a suitable trade based European community, I'd be 100% in.

But the euro currency project and the political integration, and the refusal to compromise at all means I felt I couldn't give it my support.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Yes, "stick it to the establishment", instead of going pro-Euro Tory-lite, we'll vote for full unfettered right-wing Eurosceptic nasty Tory instead.

Stick it to the man! Farage and Boris are common blokes like us, like a good pint, blah blah.

Just go listen to the Who song, 'Won't get fooled again' wherein the end lyrics are: Here's the new boss, same as the old boss. They're all the same.

If you think your last sentence is clever, and gains you kudos for some kind of points scoring, then I suggest you grow up.

The leave vote was a rejection of where the leaders of the country, of both political shades, have taken us concerning the EU over the decades.

The bile in your post is sad to read...

 

[The Cowboy]

Cut out the hyperbole, I've never said that everyone who voted leave is a UKIP voting immigrant hater. What a ridiculous statement.

Well you wouldn't be the first to harbour such an opinion.

 

[Rob17896]

Not at all. How many of the 'Leave' voters have you spoken to, to arrive at the conclusion you did arrive at?

'He who asserts must prove', as the legal tenet goes. And you have proved absolutely nothing to back up your assertion.

You're out of your depth, mate...

Immigration was important but that has been sold as the problem. Lack of wealth distribution is the problem. Since the late seventies we have closed industry in the north and replaced it with growth of the south. Both parties are guilty as well as the finance industry for the crash. The eu is good at wealth distribution but this vote is for change by people who need some hope. The parties here need to sort themselves out. We are one nation and everybody needs a chance. There will be no difference until this happens. Corbyn needs to go and a credible voice of the left is required.

 

[Seanjd]

Just go listen to the Who song, 'Won't get fooled again' wherein the end lyrics are: Here's the new boss, same as the old boss. They're all the same.

If you think your last sentence is clever, and gains you kudos for some kind of points scoring, then I suggest you grow up.

The leave vote was a rejection of where the leaders of the country, of both political shades, have taken us concerning the EU over the decades.

The bile in your post is sad to read...

Quite a personal response that, old blue. 'Bile'? 'Grow up'?

Come on.

 

[Huyton Layne]

Not to worry people.

Muse are playing an absolutely blinding set at Glasto currently.

No matter if you're a huge fan or think they're ok, they are amazing live.

On topic, err good luck going on holiday to anywhere but Wales in a few years without a mortgage.

 

[bobbydigital]

Just go listen to the Who song, 'Won't get fooled again' wherein the end lyrics are: Here's the new boss, same as the old boss. They're all the same.

If you think your last sentence is clever, and gains you kudos for some kind of points scoring, then I suggest you grow up.

The leave vote was a rejection of where the leaders of the country, of both political shades, have taken us concerning the EU over the decades.

The bile in your post is sad to read...

You use your vote to reject the leaders of the country.
But as all the bosses are the same, won't you just end up in the same place?

 

[Seanjd]

Well you wouldn't be the first to harbour such an opinion.

I don't harbour such an opinion, you claimed I did. I have never said that all leave voters are UKIP supporters or immigrant haters, did I? You can take that back.

I said that I believe immigration to have been the most important aspect to most leavers.

 

[Rob17896]

Just go listen to the Who song, 'Won't get fooled again' wherein the end lyrics are: Here's the new boss, same as the old boss. They're all the same.

If you think your last sentence is clever, and gains you kudos for some kind of points scoring, then I suggest you grow up.

The leave vote was a rejection of where the leaders of the country, of both political shades, have taken us concerning the EU over the decades.

The bile in your post is sad to read...

I would strongly suggest that the eu is the whipping boy for failure of our main two parties. When the leaders said stay in, the people who have been left out went the opposite way. It is wrong but they needed change. Hope they get the change they need but suspect the right wing are laughing

 

[The Cowboy]

I don't harbour such an opinion, you claimed I did. I have never said that all leave voters are UKIP supporters or immigrant haters, did I? You can take that back.

I said that I believe immigration to have been the most important aspect to most leavers.

Pfft. Behave.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Quite a personal response that, old blue. 'Bile'? 'Grow up'?

Come on.

I know it will be difficult to read all the connected posts resulting in reaching the one upon which I commented (because they are interspersed across several pages), but if you do, you will see exactly why I used that word.

In other words, if he's going to dish it, then he must accept that he must take it in return. Nothing more complicated than that.

 

[Old Blue 2]

You use your vote to reject the leaders of the country.
But as all the bosses are the same, won't you just end up in the same place?

Haven't we been like that for a long time...?

Haven't successive leaders had to take on the chin what the EU has dictated to us...?

The leave vote, in its simplest terms, is saying that we no longer wanted to be dictated to by the EU, on a host of issues...

 

[Old Blue 2]

I would strongly suggest that the eu is the whipping boy for failure of our main two parties. When the leaders said stay in, the people who have been left out went the opposite way. It is wrong but they needed change. Hope they get the change they need but suspect the right wing are laughing

Here are two examples of why I voted out. If you think these examples are OK, then fine. But they are not for me. The issue has got nothing to do with the failure of our two main parties, apart from allowing the UK to get into such a position in the first place...
1. Ford was given an EU loan (of £80 million, I believe) to move the Transit facility in the UK to Turkey, a non-EU country. Wonderful!
2. When the Port Talbot Steelworks in Wales recently had financial problems (the owners are Indian), we were told that the Government could only provide assistance if the EU decided it could. If the EU said no to our Government providing assistance, then nothing coulds be done.

There are other examples...

 

[Blueblooded]

He isn't good with sound bites and the social face, but he's an intelligent and immensely hard working bloke.


Whether he'd make a good PM remains to be seen.

I'm not, as many would level at me today, a 'Little Englander' in any shape or form. But I am northern and I have a long memory.

I think Kate Hoey hit the nail on the head when she said that many leave voters were very disturbed by the notion that they were unintelligent, racist, narrow minded and uneducated. That simply isn't the case and it's a sweeping generalisation that is both crass and vulgar in equal measure.

We are marginalised, disenfranchised, weary and frankly rebellious. Westminster has ignored the pleas of the North East for too long. We warned them over and over again, but they didn't listen and they allowed us to be swallowed up and left dying like an abandoned afterthought alien to the rest of the nation.

That lingers long.

I grant that Johnson is likeable; he's got the buffoon act down to a tee. But he's also a complete political opportunist and will flip-flop on any and every issue if he thinks it will suit the advancement of his political career; a quick Google search will demonstrate this. He stands for nothing but himself.

As for your point about generalisations: I'm a south-west born, left-leaning, Guardian-reading Labour supporter of Irish descent. I have also felt marginalised, disenfranchised, weary and rebellious in recent years and been subject to much name-calling and discrimination as a result. Maybe not as much as in your region, but I have never felt the need to support or get into bed with right-wing demagogues who have no actual policies just to just to prove a point.(?)

So now you've been heard: now what?