Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Seanjd]

No.

Is it not important to you?

 

[The Cowboy]

Is it not important to you?

Not especially.

 

[Seanjd]

Not especially.

I find it incredible that you could vote for something and not even consider a huge aspect of political implication. Boris Johnson will be our next PM. Has that not sinked in yet?

 

[Durham Toffee]

Loads of nice buzz words, but the reality is that Boris Johnson will be our next Prime Minister. Good look demonstrating decorum and respect then.

He isn't good with sound bites and the social face, but he's an intelligent and immensely hard working bloke.


Whether he'd make a good PM remains to be seen.

I'm not, as many would level at me today, a 'Little Englander' in any shape or form. But I am northern and I have a long memory.

I think Kate Hoey hit the nail on the head when she said that many leave voters were very disturbed by the notion that they were unintelligent, racist, narrow minded and uneducated. That simply isn't the case and it's a sweeping generalisation that is both crass and vulgar in equal measure.

We are marginalised, disenfranchised, weary and frankly rebellious. Westminster has ignored the pleas of the North East for too long. We warned them over and over again, but they didn't listen and they allowed us to be swallowed up and left dying like an abandoned afterthought alien to the rest of the nation.

That lingers long.

 

[Blueblooded]

Immigration didn't even feature on my reasons for an out vote to be honest. Not denying it did for some, as it clearly did.

But personally it's absolutely irrelvant to me and I'd suggest that's the same for the majority of leave voters.

Glad to hear it was irrelevant to you, but you can't deny that immigration (especially as misrepresented by UKIP and the Murdoch/Mail press in recent years) hasn't been an absolutely dog-whistle issue for many voters in areas where this present government chose to withdraw financial support for integration policies.

 

[Seanjd]

Immigration didn't even feature on my reasons for an out vote to be honest. Not denying it did for some, as it clearly did.

But personally it's absolutely irrelvant to me and I'd suggest that's the same for the majority of leave voters.

I'd suggest your wrong on this. Perhaps immigration didn't feature in your decision making, but it certainly did in the majority of those who voted leave. To deny that is naive.

 

[Durham Toffee]

It pissed me off hearing people here in Northern Ireland using immigration as a key motive though. The only immigration we have here is the farmers heading into town on a Saturday night lol

Absolutely bizarre rationale.

Not even going to get into that debate as an Irish descendant...

 

[The Cowboy]

I find it incredible that you could vote for something and not even consider a huge aspect of political implication. Boris Johnson will be our next PM. Had that not sinker in yet?

You're clearly quite upset about the idea. I'm not so bothered. They're all really quite dislikable folk, if it's not Boris, it's another one that I don't like very much. Not much of a stock of credible candidates out there, in any party.

 

[Seanjd]

We are marginalised, disenfranchised, weary and frankly rebellious. Westminster has ignored the pleas of the North East for too long. We warned them over and over again, but they didn't listen and they allowed us to be swallowed up and left dying like an abandoned afterthought alien to the rest of the nation.

That lingers long.

Absolutely. As are most of us working class, especially working
Class northerners. A leave vote was not a rebellion vote, though. A leave vote has secured conservative rule for the foreseeable future. It has secured a further shift to the right. These people do not look after us.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I'd suggest your wrong on this. Perhaps immigration didn't feature in your decision making, but it certainly did in the majority of those who voted leave. To deny that is naive.

Yea as I've said earlier I accept I may be underestimating it's importance. But I live in Northern Ireland where it's not an issue unless you have serious issues.

Can't really speak for the motives of those in more diverse areas.

 

[dandydan]

Nearly 100,000,000 in front.

lollollol
Just saw this. Alcohol, fatigue and undies full of jizz to blame.

 

[Durham Toffee]

Absolutely. As are most of us working class, especially working
Class northerners. A leave vote was not a rebellion vote, though. A leave vote has secured conservative rule for the foreseeable future. It has secured a further shift to the right. These people do not look after us.

It has also, thankfully, motivated the Labour Party to reconsider their leadership, which frankly has been inept.

Corbyn was an exciting Dynamo for me when I voted for him as a staunch Labour member.

I've never been so let down and utterly disengaged as I have been by his tenure thus far.

I can only hope that this prods a labour leadership contest that will provide us with a genuine competitor to the government.

 

[The Cowboy]

I'd suggest your wrong on this. Perhaps immigration didn't feature in your decision making, but it certainly did in the majority of those who voted leave. To deny that is naive.

I think you're the one being naive in assuming everyone who voted leave is a UKIP-voting immigrant hater.

The vote options were fundamentally flawed. There are so many people who absolutely did not want to leave but were not prepared to give a vote of confidence to the present EU with no promise of reform. It's way bigger than immigration and to tar all Leavers with that brush is rather offensive, frankly.

 

[Old Blue 2]

I said a lot of people were swayed on immigration, and I stand by it.

If you think that is "broad brush" then I'm afraid you've got the blinkers on.

Not at all. How many of the 'Leave' voters have you spoken to, to arrive at the conclusion you did arrive at?

'He who asserts must prove', as the legal tenet goes. And you have proved absolutely nothing to back up your assertion.

You're out of your depth, mate...

 

[Rob17896]

Don't get the mentality in scotland of wanting to stay in one union but leave another.

Because being in one means out of the other and they prefer the eu it appears.