Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Socrates]

Not to worry people.

Muse are playing an absolutely blinding set at Glasto currently.

 

[Seanjd]

Incredibly depressing to see so many working classes saying things like 'this is our England'. I wonder if they'll still be saying that under a Boris Johnson government?

 

[The Esk]

There were simply no certainties either way. Nothing has changed yet. Hysteria is bizarre.

Lots has changed. I know investment decisions today that were shelved or delayed. 2 years of negotiation before businesses know the terms under which they can do business with their main markets.

What impact will there be on those markets? Economic uncertainty for sure and likely to be tougher trade terms.

Everything has changed and it's difficult to present any change for the better.

 

[edge]

Not to worry people.

Muse are playing an absolutely blinding set at Glasto currently.

That on now ?

 

[Seanjd]

Lots has changed. I know investment decisions today that were shelved or delayed. 2 years of negotiation before businesses know the terms under which they can do business with their main markets.

What impact will there be on those markets? Economic uncertainty for sure and likely to be tougher trade terms.

Everything has changed and it's difficult to present any change for the better.

That's what I still can't understand. I can't get my head around what the proposed blatantly positive changes from this are or will be.

 

[Jags..class]

They are still going to trade with us, we buy alot of products from the these countries.

 

[The Cowboy]

Everything in the campaign, on both sides, was lies and rubbish. The entire campaign was vile and a dark chapter in our recent political history. The Leave campaign had no argument on economics (and actually gave up there) but the Remain campaign tried to scare us on every issue going and rarely concentrated on any positive aspects of EU membership or even saying vote Remain and we go back to the EU to seek further reforms on how it is governed and financed. Cameron, a man I despise with a passion that is probably unhealthy, kept telling us that the 'reforms' he achieved were wonderful when no one believed him and senior Eurocrats in Brussels were sniggering at him.

Aye, it was a monumental cockup by the Remain party. Their lies and half-truths alone will have been a key driver for many Leave voters.

All Remain had to do was say 'look, the EU is far from perfect. It might not be so bad if we leave, but it might be really bad. But we simply don't know. So let's not risk it, eh. If you vote Remain, I'll make it my mission to find out what it is that you feel isn't working, and try and fix it'.

Guaranteed that that would've swayed tons of reluctant Leave voters who felt a Remain vote was a vote of confidence for the EU in its current form.

 

[Jags..class]

That's what I still can't understand. I can't get my head around what the proposed blatantly positive changes from this are it will be.

Just wait and see

 

[The Cowboy]

They are still going to trade with us, we buy alot of products from the these countries.

Simple as that, tbh. No way are they just going to give us the cold shoulder.

 

[Seanjd]

Just wait and see

What does that even mean? That this is an absolute blind leap into the dark? We need to know what the benefits are, because I don't.

 

[Seanjd]

They are still going to trade with us, we buy alot of products from the these countries.

But we could trade easier before. So why are we better off now?

 

[The Cowboy]

Nice touch Newsnight on BBC is using "Changes" as it's opening music.

Should've used 'We Gotta Get Out Of This Place'.

 

[bobbydigital]

That's what I still can't understand. I can't get my head around what the proposed blatantly positive changes from this are it will be.

Haven't seen anything other than controlling immigration and this 350m a week NHS line.

The irony of this situation is to resurrect the economy, concessions will most likely have to be made around free movement and the 350m a week to the NHS is very dubious to say the least.

Here is what The Economist put our next trade options as

"The first is to become like Norway, which is a member of the European Economic Area (EEA), in return for which it is required to contribute to the EU’s budget and allow the free movement of people. The second is to opt out entirely, trading with the EU under the rules of the World Trade Organisation like America, China or any other country. Most economists agree that this would do more damage to the British economy."

 

[bring the ghost on]

Name me one that wasn't on either side,?
there all like whores look you in the eye tell you the only one while one hands on your [Poor language removed] and the other one is in your pocket robbing your wallet while your distracted thinking your getting what you want.

Two wrongs don't make a right mate, you can't make big claims like Farage has and then expect not to be called out when it turns out he was talking utter nonsense when we leave.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Lots has changed. I know investment decisions today that were shelved or delayed. 2 years of negotiation before businesses know the terms under which they can do business with their main markets.

What impact will there be on those markets? Economic uncertainty for sure and likely to be tougher trade terms.

Everything has changed and it's difficult to present any change for the better.

Britain's economy and the pound are much stronger than people seem to understand. Our FTSE fell less than any of the other main floated exchanges.

My take on Europe has long been that the euro currency is an absolute disaster waiting to happen. The real negligent decision would have been to stay in the European Union when the crash is inevitable. At least this way the fall out should hopefully affect us to a lesser degree.

There's a perception within business that we are all doomed and even within a few hours at work today, we had all came round to the realisation that actually, it's not going to be anywhere near as bad for us, and our clients, as the doomsday merchants have suggested. There will be minimal short term pain but at least we are out now before the obvious and inevitable collapse of the current form of EU we have.

Hopefully we will eventually get a proper trade based EU formed in future and not the shambolic political union we have currently. This is a problem completely of the Brussels elites own doing.